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kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
September 20 2020 16:54 GMT
#1481
Every match devolving into balance whine on here is annoying. I like to troll in Twitch chat but I expect better from TL.net posters.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7460 Posts
September 20 2020 16:54 GMT
#1482
Finally some PvZ!

I love TvZ like the next guy but the only quality PvZ we had was Reynor vs Stats. Hoping for a real nailbiter with a 4:3 for Reynor
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
September 20 2020 16:54 GMT
#1483
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t


Don't mind this constant criticism of casters among SC2 fans. It really is an awfully toxic community. Recently there was an effort to entice a flame war against Nathanies on reddit. Don't let the behaviour of uneducated people attacking everything from the safety of their mother's basement get you down. Not only do you do a good job, but the content you provide is golden. You are a real asset to a diminishing community.
Clément 화이팅
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 20 2020 16:54 GMT
#1484
On September 21 2020 01:46 Argonauta wrote:
The interview to Reynor is making me puke


A nerd hating on a kid because he won a match, that's so pathetic lol
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1485
On September 21 2020 01:54 kaykoose wrote:
Every match devolving into balance whine on here is annoying. I like to troll in Twitch chat but I expect better from TL.net posters.

I mean we have a PvZ coming up D:
I Protoss winner, could it be?
WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
612 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1486
On September 21 2020 01:52 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t



What exactly do you want? Because honestly wardiii, you can read a lot of "based god wardii saviour of sc2 and esports" kind of coments around here too.


Nothing really, I just want to be able to finish a day of work and not feel like shit that I let people down and that I'm taking up peoples space that could do a better job than me.

Saviour of sc2 and esports =/= good caster, people are also very clear about that when they always say "I respect what he does, but I can't stand his casting because xyz." Yeah I do a lot of cool tournaments and stuff but at the end of the day I don't stand up to the other casters in the scene.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1487
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t


You're doing a great job. Keep it up! I see your 'niceness'' as being objective and not being overly critical and quick to judgment. That's a rare quality to have.
gg no re thx
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1488
On September 21 2020 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:42 sudete wrote:
Really hope that Trap wins, but.. probably not going to happen

It's possible, it happened at DH Summer.
Just looked at premier tournament stats and holy shit.. It's not looking good for protoss players.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1489
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t


I apologize for my tone it wasn't an insult and I understand its your job, my bad. It must be a hard thing to balance commentary, having a personal opinion and having to please so many people at the same time.

Thats why I said there wasn't anything wrong with that, maybe I'm just the kind of person that likes more shit talking than others.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#1490
On September 21 2020 01:54 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:46 Argonauta wrote:
The interview to Reynor is making me puke


A nerd hating on a kid because he won a match, that's so pathetic lol




aah? I am not hating the kid...Im hating the questions lol
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16129 Posts
September 20 2020 16:56 GMT
#1491
On September 21 2020 01:54 Harris1st wrote:
Finally some PvZ!

I love TvZ like the next guy but the only quality PvZ we had was Reynor vs Stats.


The problem is that quality games in this match up are becoming harder to find every day.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 16:57 GMT
#1492
On September 21 2020 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:54 Harris1st wrote:
Finally some PvZ!

I love TvZ like the next guy but the only quality PvZ we had was Reynor vs Stats.


The problem is that quality games in this match up are becoming harder to find every day.


Quality PvZ games? They exist?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 20 2020 16:57 GMT
#1493
On September 21 2020 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:54 Harris1st wrote:
Finally some PvZ!

I love TvZ like the next guy but the only quality PvZ we had was Reynor vs Stats.


The problem is that quality games in this match up are becoming harder to find every day.

It's either Toss pulling stuff out of their asses or from the great book of Toss BS or Zerg gets to go to late game.
not a lot of in-between that nets Toss wins at least
Faker is the GOAT!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33714 Posts
September 20 2020 16:57 GMT
#1494
Wow the dirty caster money Kaelaris backdrop
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
September 20 2020 16:57 GMT
#1495
On September 21 2020 01:40 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I don't understand Feardragon, he keeps bringing Clem down with his commentary, how he is not yet on the Reynor and Serral's level etc... what the heck?

I said it multile times that Clem is a fantastic player. But it’s hard to be “ranked” up with Serral and Reynor without having won a premier tournament. He’s absolutely still competitive with them but in terms of ranking he’s still missing that.
Ok Starcraft 2 Commentator
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 20 2020 16:58 GMT
#1496
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t


I criticize you unfairly in the past but I like your style and your approach which is quite respectful and avoid polemical stances.
+ obviously all the stuff you bring to the community.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7701 Posts
September 20 2020 16:58 GMT
#1497
This is how a scene dies. People who do nothing and never have, bully and mistreat people that do contribute.

Happened in bw as well. Assholes have been tolerated too long.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 16:58 GMT
#1498
On September 21 2020 01:55 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:52 Argonauta wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t



What exactly do you want? Because honestly wardiii, you can read a lot of "based god wardii saviour of sc2 and esports" kind of coments around here too.


Nothing really, I just want to be able to finish a day of work and not feel like shit that I let people down and that I'm taking up peoples space that could do a better job than me.

Saviour of sc2 and esports =/= good caster, people are also very clear about that when they always say "I respect what he does, but I can't stand his casting because xyz." Yeah I do a lot of cool tournaments and stuff but at the end of the day I don't stand up to the other casters in the scene.



I dont know, I feel you have a lot of great "good caster comments" too, look at this thread. 1 bad 5 good. Maybe dont put so much weigth onto them?, Im sad you feel shitty after your workday but maybe its not the fault of the criticism but other factors? If its that then yes, Stop reading them.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
September 20 2020 16:59 GMT
#1499
On September 21 2020 01:52 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:50 Calliope wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote:
I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy.

But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers...


The supply efficiency of the banelings is so high. With a higher supply demand there would perhaps not be so many that battles are instantly over, but requiring more micro.


Yes, my point exactly. The fact that 50% worker is optimal doesn't show so much that the war game is driven by actual economics, but how broken certain units are.


Yes and the snowballing economic advantage leads to this slow death rattle as banes role in and erase expansions in the blink of a moment. It is really difficult to find enjoyment from this slow inevitability as a viewer. I think changes favouring early action, like the hellbat pushes would make for a better viewer experience.
Clément 화이팅
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 16:59:34
September 20 2020 16:59 GMT
#1500
On September 21 2020 01:55 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:54 stilt wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:46 Argonauta wrote:
The interview to Reynor is making me puke


A nerd hating on a kid because he won a match, that's so pathetic lol




aah? I am not hating the kid...Im hating the questions lol


Oh my bad then, I apologize. I didn't think about it as it seemed some pretty generic questions.
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