EPTBut in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers...
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RKC
2848 Posts
But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers... | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7701 Posts
Serral got beaten soundly. Reynor had two very close matches with Clem in the last week. Nobody was talking about zerg imba while serral was getting wrecked. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:42 sudete wrote: Really hope that Trap wins, but.. probably not going to happen It's possible, it happened at DH Summer. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:42 swarminfestor wrote: Clem do not has answer for Lurkers+Vipers yet. Maybe some Ravens, Ghosts and tone of Libs would help. Sadly you will just die to ling-bane if you try to transition into ghost-raven-liberator on any map in the pool. It would be somewhat realistic on split-maps, but there are none of these in present pool. | ||
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aringadingding
481 Posts
If Trap can take a map, thats good. If he can take two maps its amazing. If he get more maps we know Reynor has suffered from some kind of stroke before the finals. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
I just don't have any. I want him to prove me wrong, but I just don't think he's got it in him. | ||
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heqat
Switzerland96 Posts
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greenturtle23
86 Posts
My argument is that queens are a design / balance nightmare - it's a unit that shuts down most early aggression, so that it's a lot easier for a zerg player to reach the late game 70-90 worker eco. Queens make the game really boring. Another issue is the larva mechanic. Making a change to both would really help things. | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 aringadingding wrote: I wonder who will win the final. Zerg who has won a bit more than 90 % of the bigger tourneys the last couple of years or toss who has become extinct from tournament wins.... i wonder... If Trap can take a map, thats good. If he can take two maps its amazing. If he get more maps we know Reynor has suffered from some kind of stroke before the finals. Oh... come on... At least do your research before shouting this nonsense out into the wilds. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Sadly you will just die to ling-bane if you try to transition into ghost-raven-liberator on any map in the pool. It would be somewhat realistic on split-maps, but there are none of these in present pool. When's the last time we had a map you can realistically split? Must have been a while at this point. Most maps are super open centers with a lot of counter attack paths. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 aringadingding wrote: I wonder who will win the final. Zerg who has won a bit more than 90 % of the bigger tourneys the last couple of years or toss who has become extinct from tournament wins.... i wonder... If Trap can take a map, thats good. If he can take two maps its amazing. If he get more maps we know Reynor has suffered from some kind of stroke before the finals. Reynor literally lost 3 maps to Trap previous DH Masters. | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:42 swarminfestor wrote: Clem do not has answer for Lurkers+Vipers yet. Maybe some Ravens, Ghosts and tone of Libs would help. Maybe it would, even though Ghosts are now equal range with upgraded lurkers iirc. It would drastically change the tempo of the game for the bio/mines style and therefore T would probably have to aim for very very late game, ie. split map and better trades, to win it. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 AttackZerg wrote: I think it is a real disservice to Reynor to claim that it was IMBA that won the game. Serral got beaten soundly. Reynor had two very close matches with Clem in the last week. Nobody was talking about zerg imba while serral was getting wrecked. That's because Serral fanboys were derailing the thread into Serral consistency = GOAT. | ||
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Solio
France145 Posts
A protoss champion would be really nice | ||
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Calliope
297 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:42 Lexender wrote: If he doesn't its admiting that Clem lost due to his race and I'm guessing he wants to keep his job. I understand, they have to keep saying that else they would have to say it was due to other reasons. Yes, they were bullying Nathanias on Reddit a few days ago for pointing out the T weaknesses in TvZ. It is weird though, a real caster should also be able to put games in their context and allude to the 3 years of uninterrupted zerg dominance we had. Is it really the role of a caster to ignore that? Also, it is weird seeing as Clem has beaten both Reynor and Serral. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:44 Elentos wrote: When's the last time we had a map you can realistically split? Must have been a while at this point. Most maps are super open centers with a lot of counter attack paths. When Maru was playing that raven style in early 2018, probably. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote: I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy. But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers... I've watched some Age of Empires II games recently and they go up to 130-150 of 200 in worker supply. Crazy. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote: I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy. But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers... Why? As large of economy as you can get away with is always a winning strategy in any war, let alone war game. 50% is just paying respect to the fact that supply efficient units in SC2 are very expensive. | ||
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Zzzapper
1798 Posts
On September 21 2020 01:41 Ramiz1989 wrote: Lurkers + Defiler... uh I mean Vipers, do that. No, Reynor did that before vipers twice so just lurkers. And on Golden Wall, he basically got there at the same time as lurkers came online. It's mostly down to top zerg getting incredibly good at defending imo | ||
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