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On July 20 2020 00:40 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clearing it up! What are the pings for both sides for NA Central?
The Pings that Trap and PartinG communicated when doing the vetoes with me were ~140ms on West and ~180ms on Central.
This also goes along with my ping from Central Europe which is ~135ms to Central and ~175ms to West. Same should be the case for Reynor. I don't know what the ping is from West EU like France or East EU like Finland.
Switching servers like W C W in a bo3 is definitely the fairest option which pretty much most Koreans agreed on.
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On July 20 2020 00:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone. Always alternating favours Western Europeans over Koreans in most cases.
Exactly. Always playing West seems actually closest to "fair", even though Koreans get a slight advantage there. But it may depend on the case.
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On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone.
Should have just follow the rules (NA West). Letting players choose will just complicate things.
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On July 20 2020 00:45 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:40 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clearing it up! What are the pings for both sides for NA Central? The Pings that Trap and PartinG communicated when doing the vetoes with me were ~140ms on West and ~180ms on Central. This also goes along with my ping from Central Europe which is ~135ms to Central and ~175ms to West. Same should be the case for Reynor. I don't know what the ping is from West EU like France or East EU like Finland. Switching servers like W C W in a bo3 is definitely the fairest option which pretty much most Koreans agreed on.
At best it would be 125ms from France with a private pro Internet fiber/connection
On July 20 2020 00:46 rayl991 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone. Should have just follow the rules (NA West). Letting players choose will just complicate things.
How dare you being rational
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Personally I feel like alternating and always starting on West would be the fairest solution in this unfortunate situation.
Just sad we can't see the highest level of SC2 right now even if we live in an era where Foreigner/Korean MUs are actually super hype.
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Switching servers sounds good but it still results in both players having rough ping regardless, which will give advantanges to certain playstyles/races. There's literally no way to make it so that at least one player won't have the right to complain
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On July 20 2020 00:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone. Always alternating favours Western Europeans over Koreans in most cases.
If playing every game on West favors Koreans, and every game on Central—Europeans, then, by the intermediate value theorem, there exists a number x of games on West in an N-game series, such that N-x is the number of games on Central and the pairing is fair.
Clearly, the right method is to take the integer closest to x  .
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Korean loses: WARGARBLE PING!
Foreigner loses: Look, it's a complicated situation and I think everyone's doing as much as they can to make this fair given the difficult circumstances.
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On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
Thanks for clearing that up!
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Serral banned Eternal Empire over Submarine? Weird.
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We're still not in a game wow
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All the ping conversation are gonna be irrelevant once Serral 4-0 Trap in 30 minutes anyway
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On July 20 2020 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Serral banned Eternal Empire over Submarine? Weird.
He probably has an all in dedicated to the map. It's probably terrible.
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On July 20 2020 00:51 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Korean loses: WARGARBLE PING!
Foreigner loses: Look, it's a complicated situation and I think everyone's doing as much as they can to make this fair given the difficult circumstances.
Nah HeroMarine got screwed by ping vs Trap. Maybe Reynor did as well but I haven't watched those games yet.
INno and TY got double screwed by both ping and staying up 14 hours after the GSL group earlier.
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On July 20 2020 00:53 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Serral banned Eternal Empire over Submarine? Weird. He probably has an all in dedicated to the map. It's probably terrible.
He's gonna do the roach push Dark did vs INnoVation and also get scouted by the first 2 hellions.
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On July 20 2020 00:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone. Always alternating favours Western Europeans over Koreans in most cases. If playing every game on West favors Koreans, and every game on Central—Europeans, then, by the intermediate value theorem, there exists a number x of games on West in an N-game series, such that N-x is the number of games on Central and the pairing is fair. Clearly, the right method is to take the integer closest to x .
That's if we assume the advantage Koreans get on West equals the advantage Europeans get on Central, which doesn't always seem to be the case, so alternating may not always be the fairest option.
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i see the status quo of Maru vs Serral not happening has been meet once again
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On July 20 2020 00:53 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Serral banned Eternal Empire over Submarine? Weird. He probably has an all in dedicated to the map. It's probably terrible.
Oh come on. Not all his all-ins are terrible. Just 90% of them. Although probably v Terran, 100% is accurate.
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Casual one hour downtime I guess
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On July 20 2020 00:53 ytherik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:49 Ej_ wrote:On July 20 2020 00:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone. Always alternating favours Western Europeans over Koreans in most cases. If playing every game on West favors Koreans, and every game on Central—Europeans, then, by the intermediate value theorem, there exists a number x of games on West in an N-game series, such that N-x is the number of games on Central and the pairing is fair. Clearly, the right method is to take the integer closest to x . That's if we assume the advantage Koreans get on West equals the advantage Europeans get on Central, which doesn't always seem to be the case, so alternating may not always be the fairest option.
It wouldn't have to be equal numbers of games.
Maybe you'd play 2 games on West for every game on Central, but yeah not the simplest solution.
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