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On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central?
Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong.
For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W)
To clarify the entire server question:
The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West.
However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
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On July 20 2020 00:34 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:25 Waxangel wrote:What a dilemma for Korean elitists, now Reynor says the network conditions favor the Koreans  It's either a 20 ping advantage for Koreans on NA West, or 60 ping advantage for the Western Europeans on NA Central, so yeah all NA West makes sense to me. too bad this isn't WarCraft 3 classic, where we could just have some fan host it out of his house in Denver, Colorado.
What is this about lmao
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With all this server/lag talk I now even more root for Cure so we get Kr vs Kr finals and hopefully epic games!
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On July 20 2020 00:34 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:It's either a 20 ping advantage for Koreans on NA West, or 60 ping advantage for the Western Europeans on NA Central, so yeah all NA West makes sense to me. Any sources on those numbers? I hear different numbers fitting their narrative from everyone.
It varies somewhat obvious based on the individual, but that's generally the ground truth.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/cq4DLZC.png)
(from https://wondernetwork.com/pings)
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On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
Good to know, everyone was complained koreans had a unfair pings, it was annoying.
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On July 20 2020 00:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:34 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:It's either a 20 ping advantage for Koreans on NA West, or 60 ping advantage for the Western Europeans on NA Central, so yeah all NA West makes sense to me. Any sources on those numbers? I hear different numbers fitting their narrative from everyone. It varies somewhat obvious based on the individual, but that's generally the ground truth. (from https://wondernetwork.com/pings)
It has to be done ingame, I have done it 100 times+ during Nation Wars 
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I guess esports is dead until quantum network protocol is invented 
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Besides that routing can vary so much depending on a lot of factors. So even if you live in the same country/region your ping can vary quite a bit.
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On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
Thanks for first hand info. This doesn't sound like too big of a difference or advantage to any player lag wise, right?
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On July 20 2020 00:38 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Good to know, everyone was complained koreans had a unfair pings, it was annoying.
I think the argument is that it's much more forgiving for Zerg players in general to play with a delay, compared to T and P. Obviously Heromarine got shafted a bit.
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On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
Thanks for clearing it up!
What are the pings for both sides for NA Central?
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On July 20 2020 00:39 Waxangel wrote:I guess esports is dead until quantum network protocol is invented
It's actually 2015 again. The only relevant tournament takes place in Seoul  .
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On July 20 2020 00:40 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:39 Waxangel wrote:I guess esports is dead until quantum network protocol is invented It's actually 2015 again. The only relevant tournament takes place in Seoul .
one of the GSL booths is closer to the studio router than the other; right-side player has a 0.000001% win-rate advantage 
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Trap looked pretty strong but Reynor looked pretty weak from his usual self.
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On July 20 2020 00:39 Waxangel wrote:I guess esports is dead until quantum network protocol is invented
Or divide global tournaments up into regions for the time being, there's no real way to make cross world matches fair
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On July 20 2020 00:40 Nixer wrote:
Besides that routing can vary so much depending on a lot of factors. So even if you live in the same country/region your ping can vary quite a bit.
Almost like this stuff might actually be complicated and not just a matter of tournament officials randomly asking their diabetic poodle to pick a server for the next match
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On July 20 2020 00:40 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clearing it up! What are the pings for both sides for NA Central?
Depends, Korean players usually have 180ms and Europe has at best 125 ms
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On July 20 2020 00:38 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 20 2020 00:34 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:It's either a 20 ping advantage for Koreans on NA West, or 60 ping advantage for the Western Europeans on NA Central, so yeah all NA West makes sense to me. Any sources on those numbers? I hear different numbers fitting their narrative from everyone. It varies somewhat obvious based on the individual, but that's generally the ground truth. (from https://wondernetwork.com/pings) It has to be done ingame, I have done it 100 times+ during Nation Wars
That's what you do if you don't want to be relying on cross-tables. But if you are using crosstables then it's just too bad if someone's internet is worse than what their region usually gets.
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On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor.
Thanks for clarifying.
I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole.
Servers should just be alternating for everyone.
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On July 20 2020 00:43 fastr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2020 00:36 mouzHeroMarine wrote:On July 20 2020 00:32 sneakyfox wrote:On July 20 2020 00:30 Aeromi wrote:On July 20 2020 00:28 Luolis wrote:
What servers will Serral vs Cure be played on? Central because Finland is eastern europe So it's different from the group stage? Weren't Inno v Serral alternating west and central? Actually, Central all games between Cure and Serral is wrong. For Serral vs Cure, they switch Server between Central and West each game (not sure if it's C W C W C or W C W C W) To clarify the entire server question: The rules say the Default Server for KR vs EU West is NA West. However, I am pretty sure most Koreans agreed to alternate between West and Central when a Korean was up against a Western European which is the fairest. On the other side, Trap applied the rule to force me and Reynor to play all games on NA West for the playoffs which is ~135-140ms for Trap and ~175ms for me/Reynor. Thanks for clarifying. I always think it's stupid to leave that choice to the players because if you're the Korean in that situation, you either have to decide to play on worse conditions out of "fair play" or choose what's best for you and look like an asshole. Servers should just be alternating for everyone.
Always alternating favours Western Europeans over Koreans in most cases.
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EPT
