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Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of
IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo.
It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with  Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by  Mana and  ForGG (ESWC 2012).
Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals.
It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL.
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On March 16 2014 07:09 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:08 Frex wrote:
Taeja just announced he will retire soon on twitter. He's been talking about retiring in the near future for quite a while now right? I remember hearing/reading that somewhere before. Sucks but I guess it's not exactly the biggest shock in the world
well you could see after every game his wrists are exploding. :/
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As much as I want to see him lose, I don't want him to retire.
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On March 16 2014 07:18 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:13 maartendq wrote:On March 16 2014 06:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 16 2014 06:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 16 2014 06:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past. It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community. Yes, it was definitely this bad with Zerg. Not so much Terran, because Terran's dominance was due to the really high skill ceiling (so we saw some awesome plays, and TvT is undoubtedly the best mirror), but people were fucking PISSED in the days of Z dominance. There was no high skill ceiling when people were complaining about 1/1/1, scv all-ins, 2-rax, pre-nerf emp, and BF hellions. No but abusive terran strategies got nerfed to oblivion usually within a very acceptable timeframe. Nowadays it takes months for the balance team to admit that there is a problem and even if they do, they are afraid of actually taking drastic action. I don't know for how long you've been following SC2, but below are a few of the things Terran had to contend with within the first few months of WoL: -Siege tank damage going from 60 to 50, to 35+15 to armored. -Reapers gone from overpowered unit to least useful unit in the game -Bunker build time increased a couple of times -Reactor build time practically doubled, cost increased -Stim research time increased by a lot -Concussive missiles had to be researched -Increased barrack build time And yet Terran still dominated for at least a full year. You act like these things were not necessary.
I think it was 3 years, no ? Or maybe 4.
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On March 16 2014 07:17 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:11 Darkhorse wrote:
Maybe Liquid could pick up another Korean terran in his place. Maybe one who used to be on both TSL and Fnatic. You mean on both TSL and Prime.
Nah that guy has a team.
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On March 16 2014 07:16 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:15 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:13 NovaMB wrote:On March 16 2014 07:11 Darkhorse wrote:
Maybe Liquid could pick up another Korean terran in his place. Maybe one who used to be on both TSL and Fnatic. Rain?!? Should've added "non-retired" I intentionally chose TSL and Fnatic becasue TSL and EG everyone would've said Puma lol I forgot about Rain :/ aLive? Finally someone inadvertently said what he wanted them to! haha
No I knew he wanted to bait it out and people were denying him but that is the true path that aLive walks.
At first people can't remember him but then someone always gets him in the end.
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Tournament organizers should make a statement and make terran and zerg only tournaments. Results and whining on forums seem to have lost the effect to change anything.
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On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL.
You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration.
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On March 16 2014 07:20 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:16 Yorkie wrote:On March 16 2014 07:15 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 07:14 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 07:13 NovaMB wrote:On March 16 2014 07:11 Darkhorse wrote:
Maybe Liquid could pick up another Korean terran in his place. Maybe one who used to be on both TSL and Fnatic. Rain?!? Should've added "non-retired" I intentionally chose TSL and Fnatic becasue TSL and EG everyone would've said Puma lol I forgot about Rain :/ aLive? Finally someone inadvertently said what he wanted them to! haha No I knew he wanted to bait it out and people were denying him but that is the true path that aLive walks. At first people can't remember him but then someone always gets him in the end.
TY for making me feel better.
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On March 16 2014 07:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL. You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration.
I wanted to make a post about racial distribution at the finals 
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On March 16 2014 06:50 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
No matter how bad my dislike of the state of Protoss gets, I just CANNOT dislike Liquid_Hero wtf? that HerO guy who seems so "awesome" now won the last IEM with ONLY abusive play. wow, I dislike Hero a lot now, such a hypocrite
he said it was boring and in fact it was. there is a whole lot of a difference between the same "for sure"-winnig strategy (sOs blink) and different risky chesse tactics that surely will end in a short game (either a win or a loss) but are not boring.
also: big deal. ONE guy made a big thread about how disgusting bl/infestor was. sure must've been worse than protoss in these days....not. also, i didn't even see the big difference between instant fungal and instant storm. sure, the immobility is a big fact but storm deals a lot of damage and (to argue like the lings of liberty thread) if you did not pay attention for a sec, you are almost dead. so far, so good.
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On March 16 2014 07:19 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:47 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 Frex wrote:On March 16 2014 06:42 Sakkreth wrote:
So much whining, grow up. PvP is awesome. This year we have had 7 protoss and 1 terran in Premier tournament finals. It makes me mad. Also, would you tell the people of Ukraine to grow up because they are whining at their goverment? Oh my god he's actually comparing PvP finals to Ukrainian Crisis this is amazing. Yeah, Ukrainians don't have to deal with Russian blink aggression.
Well, the Russians only had to blink once and they won the game, so yeah.
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On March 16 2014 06:58 Absentia wrote:
Moving Time Warp to the Twilight Council makes no sense with regards the internal logic of the game's design. The twilight council is concerned with upgrading gateway tech tree/units. I get that it would nerf blink all ins, but it seems like an awkward design decision. Cybernetics core would make more sense from a design perspective.
You could say that twilight council is for upgrades on cyber core-tech units like the stalker, and technically the zealot since it's gate tech and encompass MSC as cyber-tech too so no it wouldn't be flawed game logic
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On March 16 2014 07:21 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL. You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration. I wanted to make a post about racial distribution at the finals
Usually the balance is judged by Ro16-Ro8 racial distribution.
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On March 16 2014 07:22 Grimnir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:50 sharkie wrote:wtf? that HerO guy who seems so "awesome" now won the last IEM with ONLY abusive play. wow, I dislike Hero a lot now, such a hypocrite he said it was boring and in fact it was. there is a whole lot of a difference between the same "for sure"-winnig strategy (sOs blink) and different risky chesse tactics that surely will end in a short game (either a win or a loss) but are not boring. also: big deal. ONE guy made a big thread about how disgusting bl/infestor was. sure must've been worse than portoss in these days....not. also, i didn't even see the big difference between instant fungal and instant storm. sure, the immobility is a big fact but storm deals a lot of damage and (to argue like the lings of liberty thread) if you did not pay attention for a sec, you are almost dead. so far, so good.
I'm not sure if you're arguing that BL/Infestor was worse than now or the opposite.
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On March 16 2014 07:24 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:21 scypio wrote:On March 16 2014 07:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL. You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration. I wanted to make a post about racial distribution at the finals Usually the balance is judged by Ro16-Ro8 racial distribution.
This just isn't true.
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On March 16 2014 07:24 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:21 scypio wrote:On March 16 2014 07:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL. You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration. I wanted to make a post about racial distribution at the finals Usually the balance is judged by Ro16-Ro8 racial distribution.
I tried that at the start of HotS (looked pretty good before T nerfs) and I was told I should look at the finals. TT
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Taeja retiring 
I think I will stop watching SC2 if that happens.
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On March 16 2014 07:25 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 07:24 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:21 scypio wrote:On March 16 2014 07:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On March 16 2014 07:18 scypio wrote:Fun fact: if you take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and look for four worst-balanced consecutive tournaments 2014 will simply rise and shine, with 7/8 protoss in finals of IEM Season VIII - World Championship, IEM Season VIII - Cologne ,ASUS ROG Winter 2014 and IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo. It has never been this bad. We had 6/8 zergs at the fall of 2012, with Life and Leenock (MLG Fall Championship), Sniper and HyuN (GSL Season 5), Nerchio and Bly (Dreamhack Open Bucharest) split by Mana and ForGG (ESWC 2012). Terran reached similiar level of OP in 2010 (starting with DreamHack Winter 2010), and July 2011 (starting with 2011 MLG Anaheim) with 6/8 players in four finals. It has never been as bad. Not even in the darkest days of WoL. You should take more than race distribution at the finals for consideration. I wanted to make a post about racial distribution at the finals Usually the balance is judged by Ro16-Ro8 racial distribution. This just isn't true.
Eh, why?
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