• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:46
CET 15:46
KST 23:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2255 users

[IEM] Ro8 + Ro4 World Championships 2014 - Page 276

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 274 275 276 277 278 346 Next
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5501
On March 16 2014 05:37 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 Dinotramp wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu

better than tvt, what are you smoking?


The truth


You may like it more and there may be great games from it but MMA vs Gumiho and Innovation vs Taeja will live on forever.


Only cause the internet hivemind doesn't understand the intricacies of PvP


I understand them just fine they just don't appeal to me.

The fact that so much of PvP is about what decisions you make rather than how you control your army or position your units is a huge turn off to me.

The very nature of the way Protoss units hard counter each other completely ruins any kind of excitement I get watching the game.

PvP to me is almost pure math 90% of the time. TvT when played well looks like real warfare, it has all of the intricacy of even the highest played PvP except it's actually exciting.

The bolded part shows you don't understand PvP at all
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5502
On March 16 2014 05:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP


It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players.

Protoss players preferring PvP over TvT? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!


Well, I did prefer TvT when PvP was all 4gates.

Not going to respond to my sick burn?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45082 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5503
On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way

I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.>


sOs; he's better looking.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5504
On March 16 2014 05:37 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old

Maru


What about him?
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16107 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5505
On March 16 2014 05:37 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old

Maru


That was an OSL not a GSL.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
webas
Profile Joined September 2010
75 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5506
On March 16 2014 05:34 VmY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:31 webas wrote:
Whats this katowice soundtrack? need title!




Thanks a lot. This track is really good.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12363 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5507
On March 16 2014 05:29 Incognoto wrote:
are they even allowed to split the money?


IEM has no control on what happens after the tourney. If they're smart they'll agree to 65/35 or something like that. They don't have to publicize it.
No will to live, no wish to die
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5508
I'm fearing a fast 3-0 to sOs
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 20:39:19
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5509
On March 16 2014 05:38 Dinotramp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:37 imrusty269 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old

Maru


What about him?

Best player in the world
Community News
TL+ Member
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5510
On March 16 2014 05:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP


It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players.

Protoss players preferring PvP over TvT? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!


Well, I did prefer TvT when PvP was all 4gates.

Everybody did. God I wish those days had never existed. I really feel like they held back Protoss players so much for so long...
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5511
On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way

I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.>


sOs; he's better looking.

what? you're saying herO looks worse? Blasphemy!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5512
On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way

I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.>


sOs; he's better looking.

What? herO is better looking.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5513
On March 16 2014 05:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:33 bo1b wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 ANLProbe wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu

Rofl, TvT is far better. We've never seen any ZvZ or PvP as good as Taeja vs Innovation or MMA vs Gumiho. Not many non mirrors have had better games or come close.

I think we have seen some zvzs during the height of imbalance better then mma vs gumiho not too many but still. It's not like taeja vs innovation or mma vs gumiho are the standard tvt either lol

I think the one ZvZ I've seen that I would call a genuinely great game was that Nestea vs Symbol game on one of the ridiculously giant maps we had, Metropolis or something. There may have been others but that's the one that sticks out in my mind. As for TvTs, we've got all-time standouts like Bogus/Taeja, MMA/Gumiho, Mvp/TOP, and in general just a lot of good games. TvT has been my favorite matchup ever since tanks fell out of regular usage in TvZ. PvP though, it just does nothing for me. They all blend together as a bunch of fast games that end on 1 base or giant deathball laser wars. Definitely the worst mirror by a longshot.

Check out freaky vs life. Also, I honestly think mvp has the two most over rated games of all time: that game vs squirtle on metalopolis, and that game vs top.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5514
Does sOs have a lazy eye? Never noticed before.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45082 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5515
On March 16 2014 05:38 Noonius wrote:
I'm fearing a fast 3-0 to sOs


I'm hoping for it, but it won't happen.

It's Taeja.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5516
On March 16 2014 05:38 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP


It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players.

Protoss players preferring PvP over TvT? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!


Well, I did prefer TvT when PvP was all 4gates.

Not going to respond to my sick burn?


Please burn me again, didn't catch it
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18524 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5517
I love how casters keep trying to hype the 100K money thing but no one is hyped at all...
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5518
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way


Or they could get second in both and end up with $14k
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 20:40:12
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5519
On March 16 2014 05:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:33 bo1b wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 ANLProbe wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu

Rofl, TvT is far better. We've never seen any ZvZ or PvP as good as Taeja vs Innovation or MMA vs Gumiho. Not many non mirrors have had better games or come close.

I think we have seen some zvzs during the height of imbalance better then mma vs gumiho not too many but still. It's not like taeja vs innovation or mma vs gumiho are the standard tvt either lol

I think the one ZvZ I've seen that I would call a genuinely great game was that Nestea vs Symbol game on one of the ridiculously giant maps we had, Metropolis or something. There may have been others but that's the one that sticks out in my mind. As for TvTs, we've got all-time standouts like Bogus/Taeja, MMA/Gumiho, Mvp/TOP, and in general just a lot of good games. TvT has been my favorite matchup ever since tanks fell out of regular usage in TvZ. PvP though, it just does nothing for me. They all blend together as a bunch of fast games that end on 1 base or giant deathball laser wars. Definitely the worst mirror by a longshot.


Ryung vs Flash 1 and 2
Flash vs Innovation
Mvp vs Innovation
Mvp vs MMA GSL
Mvp vs MMA GSTL
Ryung vs Polt
Maru vs Flash

Just off the top of my head. I know I'm missing some Keen, Taeja, Supernova, Gumiho TvTs.
Moderator
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 15 2014 20:39 GMT
#5520
On March 16 2014 05:37 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old

Maru

OSL
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Prev 1 274 275 276 277 278 346 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
12:30
#16
SteadfastSC93
LiquipediaDiscussion
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group B
WardiTV1296
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko322
Rex 171
SortOf 145
SteadfastSC 93
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49143
Rain 3226
PianO 563
Larva 522
firebathero 456
Mini 390
Killer 159
soO 71
Aegong 63
Backho 41
[ Show more ]
Oya187 36
HiyA 32
Rock 32
ToSsGirL 22
Hm[arnc] 17
Shine 16
Movie 15
zelot 14
yabsab 12
Noble 11
Terrorterran 10
ivOry 8
Dota 2
qojqva7067
Gorgc6000
Dendi991
League of Legends
Reynor76
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1779
zeus1140
byalli609
oskar107
edward44
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude30
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor259
Other Games
B2W.Neo1555
crisheroes467
Hui .271
XcaliburYe155
Fuzer 120
XaKoH 44
Trikslyr30
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream25994
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 1143
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 5
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1666
League of Legends
• Nemesis1782
• Stunt1039
Upcoming Events
IPSL
2h 15m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
2h 15m
BSL 21
5h 15m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
16h 45m
Classic vs SHIN
Maru vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Wardi Open
23h 15m
IPSL
1d 5h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 5h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
1d 8h
OSC
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.