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On March 16 2014 05:29 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:24 maartendq wrote:On March 16 2014 05:23 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:21 ThomasjServo wrote:On March 16 2014 05:21 royalroadweed wrote:
So much shit protoss can do. I remember when the exact opposite was a common thing to hear. Yeah 1-1-1 was "so much shit terran can do". 1-1-1 was as ridiculous as the protoss blink play versus T is now. It's a one-size-fits all opening that removes any incentive for creative play. Actually, 1-1-1 was an all in that was impossible to scout and very hard to hold even if you prepare for it. Blink is a very hard to hold build that has transitions if Protoss doesn't choose to commit and very hard for Terran to scout if Protoss will commit. So there are major differences.
What I mean is that both strategies are incredibly boring to watch. No matter who executes it, it is always going to look the same, and the opposing player is very limited in the ways he can react to it. I don't think terrans really feel the need to scout anymore. They know that the chances of blink pressure are incredibly high, so they are forced to prepare themselves against it. This puts Protoss at an advantage: they may commit, and even if they fail they can easily survive the Terran pressure that comes afterwards, or they may not commit, and Terran will have wasted resources on defending an attack that will never arrive (just switch Protoss and Terran for 1-1-1).
It's a win-win for Protoss, no matter how you look at it. It's a lose-lose situation for the spectator because he knows what is going to happen anyway.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:38 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.
But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu Keep deluding yourself. There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS. How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare. It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players. Protoss players preferring PvP over TvT? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!! Well, I did prefer TvT when PvP was all 4gates. Not going to respond to my sick burn? Please burn me again, didn't catch it
It's too late you said something about "I like PvP" or something and I said
On March 16 2014 05:35 Darkhorse wrote:
I like PvP on New Polaris Rhapsody.
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On March 16 2014 05:40 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:40 Yello wrote:On March 16 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.> sOs; he's better looking. What? herO is better looking. herO is in fact the most beautiful (active) progamer (well Nada and Boxer retired) MarineKing, Creator is a close second
I don't like Marineking that much. Creator is pretty good-looking as well though
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On March 16 2014 05:39 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:37 forsooth wrote:On March 16 2014 05:33 bo1b wrote:On March 16 2014 05:30 ANLProbe wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.
But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu Rofl, TvT is far better. We've never seen any ZvZ or PvP as good as Taeja vs Innovation or MMA vs Gumiho. Not many non mirrors have had better games or come close. I think we have seen some zvzs during the height of imbalance better then mma vs gumiho not too many but still. It's not like taeja vs innovation or mma vs gumiho are the standard tvt either lol I think the one ZvZ I've seen that I would call a genuinely great game was that Nestea vs Symbol game on one of the ridiculously giant maps we had, Metropolis or something. There may have been others but that's the one that sticks out in my mind. As for TvTs, we've got all-time standouts like Bogus/Taeja, MMA/Gumiho, Mvp/TOP, and in general just a lot of good games. TvT has been my favorite matchup ever since tanks fell out of regular usage in TvZ. PvP though, it just does nothing for me. They all blend together as a bunch of fast games that end on 1 base or giant deathball laser wars. Definitely the worst mirror by a longshot. Ryung vs Flash 1 and 2 Flash vs Innovation Mvp vs Innovation Mvp vs MMA GSL Mvp vs MMA GSTL Ryung vs Polt Maru vs Flash Just off the top of my head. I know I'm missing some Keen, Taeja, Supernova, Gumiho TvTs.
Actually now that I think about it, Flash and Fantasy have played a few really good TvTs in SPL.
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On March 16 2014 05:38 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 16 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 05:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 Dinotramp wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.
But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu better than tvt, what are you smoking? The truth You may like it more and there may be great games from it but MMA vs Gumiho and Innovation vs Taeja will live on forever. Only cause the internet hivemind doesn't understand the intricacies of PvP I understand them just fine they just don't appeal to me. The fact that so much of PvP is about what decisions you make rather than how you control your army or position your units is a huge turn off to me.The very nature of the way Protoss units hard counter each other completely ruins any kind of excitement I get watching the game. PvP to me is almost pure math 90% of the time. TvT when played well looks like real warfare, it has all of the intricacy of even the highest played PvP except it's actually exciting. The bolded part shows you don't understand PvP at all
Sure do, it's just that I see it differently than you do.
Why don't you test me then?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:39 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:37 forsooth wrote:On March 16 2014 05:33 bo1b wrote:On March 16 2014 05:30 ANLProbe wrote:On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.
But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu Rofl, TvT is far better. We've never seen any ZvZ or PvP as good as Taeja vs Innovation or MMA vs Gumiho. Not many non mirrors have had better games or come close. I think we have seen some zvzs during the height of imbalance better then mma vs gumiho not too many but still. It's not like taeja vs innovation or mma vs gumiho are the standard tvt either lol I think the one ZvZ I've seen that I would call a genuinely great game was that Nestea vs Symbol game on one of the ridiculously giant maps we had, Metropolis or something. There may have been others but that's the one that sticks out in my mind. As for TvTs, we've got all-time standouts like Bogus/Taeja, MMA/Gumiho, Mvp/TOP, and in general just a lot of good games. TvT has been my favorite matchup ever since tanks fell out of regular usage in TvZ. PvP though, it just does nothing for me. They all blend together as a bunch of fast games that end on 1 base or giant deathball laser wars. Definitely the worst mirror by a longshot. Check out freaky vs life. Also, I honestly think mvp has the two most over rated games of all time: that game vs squirtle on metalopolis, and that game vs top.
Overrated games. But two of the best moments.
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incontrol hahhahaha, baller
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United States97276 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:41 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:37 Shellshock wrote:On March 16 2014 05:37 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 Shellshock wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way We could have the same finals too. Except Maru exists. sOs and herO can only meet in the semis in GSL Oh you're right. Well I'd bet on Maru to beat both of them. I have sOs vs PartinG in my TL Bracket challenge Parting is such a bum when he gets past the ro8. I don't trust him in GSL at all.
that's why I have him losing. He'll scrape by the soOjwa. easymode Life's bad ZvP. and then get 4-0d by sOs
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just tell to taeja that 100 000$ is 10 000$ x 10 and he will give up
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TLADT24920 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:41 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:40 Yello wrote:On March 16 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.> sOs; he's better looking. What? herO is better looking. herO is in fact the most beautiful (active) progamer (well Nada and Boxer retired) Bisu.
well, that but that's BW lol.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:40 Shellshock wrote:
Do you guys remember when sOs was the guy that blink all inned on every single map in PvT before it was cool? Back when Fionn picked him to win GSL?
Fionn's last legacy.
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On March 16 2014 05:40 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.> sOs; he's better looking. What? herO is better looking. herO is in fact the most beautiful (active) progamer (well Nada and Boxer retired)
Not even top ten.
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On March 16 2014 05:40 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:40 Yello wrote:On March 16 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.> sOs; he's better looking. What? herO is better looking. herO is in fact the most beautiful (active) progamer (well Nada and Boxer retired) MarineKing, Creator is a close second
MKP and Creator???????? what?
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Austria24420 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:42 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:41 Morbidius wrote:On March 16 2014 05:40 Yello wrote:On March 16 2014 05:39 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 16 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote:On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way I'm not sure who to root for if they both advance to the finals >.> sOs; he's better looking. What? herO is better looking. herO is in fact the most beautiful (active) progamer (well Nada and Boxer retired) Bisu. well, that but that's BW lol.
Real HerO
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that beautiful banter 
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United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:40 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 05:40 Dinotramp wrote:On March 16 2014 05:39 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:37 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old Maru That was an OSL not a GSL. It's kinda the same. really no... OSL = Bo1 not this shit again
Maru only won because joke format lel
disregard the fact that he beat Innovation and Rain bo7
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Artosis has had some sick jokes this evening, most unexpected results so far this IEM!
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Polt nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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am i the only one getting ass sound (crackles etc)?
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EPT
