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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 15 2014 20:36 GMT
#5481
On March 16 2014 05:35 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:34 vthree wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:25 Ammanas wrote:
Is it so hard to admit herO just played better today? Instead of all the fucking whining - everyone saying protoss is boring, but from what I have seen, the most boring thing around is the constant fucking whining...

I'm really not sure how anyone could say how herO was playing is boring. Would we rather go back to the days where Protoss could basically only hide in their base in fear of drops until it was time to move out with a maxed army? An aggressive option like Blink makes games way more interesting, imo. I also think that with the last round of patches, it's settling into a more proper "aggressive" option rather than just an auto win opening. I still think Terran players maybe have not explored widow mine openings enough, either, but we'll see.


I think the problem is more with the maps now. Some of the maps still have too big of an area to blink and widow mines cannot cover them all.


Too bad the mapmaking scene kind of died out. They only come out for TLMC contests now.


Well, blizzard did step in for Daedulus. The proxy oracles in the gold base is just as exploitable so I think they should at least fix that.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16123 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5482
On March 16 2014 05:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On March 16 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 Dinotramp wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu

better than tvt, what are you smoking?


The truth


You may like it more and there may be great games from it but MMA vs Gumiho and Innovation vs Taeja will live on forever.


Only cause the internet hivemind doesn't understand the intricacies of PvP


I understand them just fine they just don't appeal to me.

The fact that so much of PvP is about what decisions you make rather than how you control your army or position your units is a huge turn off to me.

The very nature of the way Protoss units hard counter each other completely ruins any kind of excitement I get watching the game.

PvP to me is almost pure math 90% of the time. TvT when played well looks like real warfare, it has all of the intricacy of even the highest played PvP except it's actually exciting.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5483
On March 16 2014 05:33 bo1b wrote:
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On March 16 2014 05:30 ANLProbe wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu

Rofl, TvT is far better. We've never seen any ZvZ or PvP as good as Taeja vs Innovation or MMA vs Gumiho. Not many non mirrors have had better games or come close.

I think we have seen some zvzs during the height of imbalance better then mma vs gumiho not too many but still. It's not like taeja vs innovation or mma vs gumiho are the standard tvt either lol

I think the one ZvZ I've seen that I would call a genuinely great game was that Nestea vs Symbol game on one of the ridiculously giant maps we had, Metropolis or something. There may have been others but that's the one that sticks out in my mind. As for TvTs, we've got all-time standouts like Bogus/Taeja, MMA/Gumiho, Mvp/TOP, and in general just a lot of good games. TvT has been my favorite matchup ever since tanks fell out of regular usage in TvZ. PvP though, it just does nothing for me. They all blend together as a bunch of fast games that end on 1 base or giant deathball laser wars. Definitely the worst mirror by a longshot.
Dinotramp
Profile Joined August 2012
Nauru2871 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5484
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old
RIP Starcraft scene in the UK. Defeated by EG money and Swedish Zergs.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5485
On March 16 2014 05:36 Shellshock wrote:
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On March 16 2014 05:36 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way


We could have the same finals too. Except Maru exists.

sOs and herO can only meet in the semis in GSL


Oh you're right. Well I'd bet on Maru to beat both of them.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5486
I also want to say that both herO and sOs are almost as good as SKT T1 protosses.

They are one level below though, Rainjwa, ChooChootinG and Chinassic posses SKT T1 power, thats why they're better.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5487
Hmm, I'm not sure what there is to debate, since it's an objective fact that TvT is better than PvP. It's like arguing whether the earth is flat... not worth spending time on.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5488
On March 16 2014 05:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On March 16 2014 05:29 Incognoto wrote:
are they even allowed to split the money?


After the tournament is over, I assume so.

They just can't throw the matches lol.

too bad they are all korean professionals
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5489
On March 16 2014 05:36 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP


It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players.

Protoss players preferring PvP over TvT? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!


Well, I did prefer TvT when PvP was all 4gates.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5490
On March 16 2014 05:34 VmY wrote:
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On March 16 2014 05:31 webas wrote:
Whats this katowice soundtrack? need title!






In case anyone wants to know the songs playing during breaks
Why can't I quit you, siege tank? FanTaSy, Mvp.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5491
On March 16 2014 05:34 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:32 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors. Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

It's all taste. I personally think TvT is quite boring. Especially compared to the current state of PvP


It's not taste if the only players agreeing with you are protoss players.

"It's not subjective if it's subjective."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5492
On March 16 2014 05:37 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:36 Shellshock wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:36 stuchiu wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:
both sOs and herO have legit shots at winning IEM + GSL meaning they could make $165k in the next month if things go their way


We could have the same finals too. Except Maru exists.

sOs and herO can only meet in the semis in GSL


Oh you're right. Well I'd bet on Maru to beat both of them.

I have sOs vs PartinG in my TL Bracket challenge
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5493
On March 16 2014 05:37 Mensol wrote:
I also want to say that both herO and sOs are almost as good as SKT T1 protosses.

They are one level below though, Rainjwa, ChooChootinG and Chinassic posses SKT T1 power, thats why they're better.

herO > Polt > SKT Protosses.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18670 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5494
On March 16 2014 05:37 Mensol wrote:
I also want to say that both herO and sOs are almost as good as SKT T1 protosses.

They are one level below though, Rainjwa, ChooChootinG and Chinassic posses SKT T1 power, thats why they're better.


herO was the only protoss beating Rain when Rain was PvP god
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
March 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#5495
On March 16 2014 05:37 Dinotramp wrote:
22 months since Mvp won GSL. I feel old

Maru
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5496
On March 16 2014 05:24 Ej_ wrote:
imagine what all the people at the venue have to feel about a separate day to watch PvP finals

the hate intensifies


Pretty sure they'd mostly do something else. Mirrors are usually popular and PvP can be an acquired taste.

Also, much as I like PvP and herO and sOs (if he makes it), there is an element of luck to if we get a good PvP.

It's better for the tournament if Taeja makes it through to the final.
KT best KT ~ 2014
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5497
hope to see some Carriers
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 20:43:51
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5498
I am so excited.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5499
On March 16 2014 05:35 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:34 vthree wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:30 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:25 Ammanas wrote:
Is it so hard to admit herO just played better today? Instead of all the fucking whining - everyone saying protoss is boring, but from what I have seen, the most boring thing around is the constant fucking whining...

I'm really not sure how anyone could say how herO was playing is boring. Would we rather go back to the days where Protoss could basically only hide in their base in fear of drops until it was time to move out with a maxed army? An aggressive option like Blink makes games way more interesting, imo. I also think that with the last round of patches, it's settling into a more proper "aggressive" option rather than just an auto win opening. I still think Terran players maybe have not explored widow mine openings enough, either, but we'll see.


I think the problem is more with the maps now. Some of the maps still have too big of an area to blink and widow mines cannot cover them all.


Too bad the mapmaking scene kind of died out. They only come out for TLMC contests now.


I think the biggest problem is that with longer WCS seasons we have to stay with the same map pool for too long and can't react to imbalances with maps. Also adding not-tested maps like Daedalus to a pool that we have to live with for like 3-4 months is just stupid.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#5500
On March 16 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 05:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have no problem of PvP final and never had.

But maybe after after San vs herO more people would understand that PvP is the best mirror mu


Keep deluding yourself.

There will never be a PvP series even half as good as some of the TvTs we've seen in HoTS.

How can you watch a series like Innovation vs Taeja at WCS Season 2 and not admit that TvT just has the highest potential of any of the mirrors? Nothing that PvP will ever offer can even hope to compare.

Then I like and appreciate different things than you.

But yes, those were great games. But most of posts in this thread are against PvP finals.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
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