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Apparently some people are dumb enough to STILL be asking for it, so let's make things clear:

Do NOT ask for re-streams, and do NOT post re-streams.

Do not come here and muddle the thread by bitching about PPV.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 26 2012 04:27 GMT
#4661
On February 26 2012 13:06 ZeromuS wrote:
I have decided after watching Leenock vs Naniwa game 2 it is now time to change my Tasteless quote in my signature area

I've love to see Gretop/tastless cast together.
MC for president
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 26 2012 04:27 GMT
#4662
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"

paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
February 26 2012 04:27 GMT
#4663
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 04:31:03
February 26 2012 04:28 GMT
#4664
They don't always compete in the same tournaments either.

I wouldn't start throwing around who's better or who's the most accomplished foreigner either.

Anyway, he did get a better draw than the other guys even though the first two series were PvP and how he dislikes the matchup. It helps to have lady luck on your side.

The training has paid off and Huk as well as DeMuslim; they both managed to keep their focus and they deserve a pat on the back.

HuK knows where it's at: Individual Leagues. He made the right choices in not competing in the bush league team leagues.
Billd
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada210 Posts
February 26 2012 04:28 GMT
#4665
On February 26 2012 12:38 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
I'm sorry I cannot stand HuK.

He lucks his way through tournaments on lucky draws in which he gets PvP after PvP (his best match-up and a coinflip at that)

And people have the gall to say he's on par with Koreans?

He did the exact same thing when he won MLG and Homestory Cup.

PvP and lucky draws.


Thank you for leaving out Dreamhack where he beat July and Moon in dramatic fashion to win.

MLG Orlando he beat July and MC in groups and only narrowly lost to Hero 2-1. Then he went on to beat MKP, theSTC and then MC in the finals.

@BilldSC I tweet about all things Starcraft 2!
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
February 26 2012 04:29 GMT
#4666
sometimes people get easier brackets, im not sure what the commotion is about. Naniwa is better in my opinion but huk has a good line to the finals and is capitalizing, like he should.


oh well.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
February 26 2012 04:30 GMT
#4667
On February 26 2012 13:28 Billd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 12:38 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
I'm sorry I cannot stand HuK.

He lucks his way through tournaments on lucky draws in which he gets PvP after PvP (his best match-up and a coinflip at that)

And people have the gall to say he's on par with Koreans?

He did the exact same thing when he won MLG and Homestory Cup.

PvP and lucky draws.


Thank you for leaving out Dreamhack where he beat July and Moon in dramatic fashion to win.

MLG Orlando he beat July and MC in groups and only narrowly lost to Hero 2-1. Then he went on to beat MKP, theSTC and then MC in the finals.



moon lost more than huk won, if you actually watched that series you'd know.. but regardless huk is a top player (even if i don't like him that much) and people trying to discredit him are pretty senseless.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 26 2012 04:31 GMT
#4668
You bring up a good point about the Naniwa - Nestea - Leenock games. Those games were almost entirely won or lost based on mindgames (and sometimes spectacular micro). I feel like that increases the variance by quite a bit.. I really want to see a bo19 or something out of them, so we can really nail down their relative strengths and weaknesses. Fun games for sure, but nothing you can really extrapolate from.
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Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
February 26 2012 04:32 GMT
#4669
Seems like 3 protoss in the final 4 is likely. Please just dont let it be pvp finals oh god.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 26 2012 04:32 GMT
#4670
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 04:34:46
February 26 2012 04:33 GMT
#4671
how the F did the seed favours the hyped foreigner
steph only met real korean once in PuMa, which not really top tier korean
real can be considered germany, not saying hes bad, hes just not korean

and now Huk only met 1 korean in his run


and if they win
OMFG FOREIGNER SOO GOOOOD SOOO GOOODD SOOO GOODDD

damn bracket


not saying steph and huk bad
they best foreigner definetely
best foreigner + F bracket = FOREIGNER SOOO GOOODDD SOOO GOOODD SOOO GOOODD
-Terran-
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
February 26 2012 04:33 GMT
#4672
On February 26 2012 13:25 Scrandom wrote:
I hope MKP wins the whole event


My original hope for this tournament was an MKP vs Losira finals becuase they tend to make TvZ even more interesting than normal. Now I'm pulling for MKP to win this whole thing but it's still really anyone's tournament to win at this point.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 04:34 GMT
#4673
ZvP needs some serious rework, it seems like every battle is predicatble in the following way

if the protoss is in a choke or ahs forcefields he wins
if no forcefields but is maxed with a good deathball teh toss wins
othersise the zerg wins

its not that black and white but it seems that to be 90% true after watching some of teh ZvPs
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 26 2012 04:34 GMT
#4674
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
February 26 2012 04:35 GMT
#4675
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


you can do it with shift queue
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
February 26 2012 04:35 GMT
#4676
On February 26 2012 13:27 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:19 kheldorin wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:14 zefreak wrote:
Regarding Huk, its not that most people dislike him (they don't), its that he got placed so high with hands down the easiest run in the tournament.

Huk went through:

Minigun, socke, Ret, and Oz. Thats three foreigners, only one of which could be considered a challenge, and Oz, a PvP.

Naniwa went through:

Grubby, MKP (dropped to losers bracket), Sheth, Nestea, Leenock, and finally lost to DRG.

Does anyone think Huk could have made it as far as Naniwa did in that run? I honestly don't, but maybe im wrong.


Why not? Huk has gone further than Naniwa in most other tournaments. People keep under-rating Huk for some reason even though he's the most accomplished foreigner. Imagine if Idra has the same accomplishments as Huk. Idra is treated more like a star than Huk does. It's ridiculous.


Huk beat Socke whos best matchup is PvP, Ret is Zerg and HuK has a terrible record against Zerg and then Oz who is one of the best protoss players on the world.

Naniwa beat Grubby in PvP which Grubby has issues with, MKP who is very good but in a matchup that is currently toss favoured, Sheth who is very good but the nestea and leenock games were so weird I dont know how to quantify them in terms of difficulty.

Naniwa was played to with the cheese and HuK rarely nexus firsts so its hard to say that the series' would be similar at all for HuK vs those players. Naniwa was able to defend cheese and cheese back so its hard to qualify those games.

Then again there is a benefit to staying in WB and thats what HuK had he got to stay in WB had naniwa stayed in WB it would have been better for him too


MKP beat Naniwa 2-0.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
February 26 2012 04:36 GMT
#4677
On February 26 2012 13:27 dragonborn wrote:
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"


my jaw dropped at those FF when i watched them
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 04:36 GMT
#4678
On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.

so should players ahve to play with the standard hotkeys too?
should every player ahve to use the same control groups?


finding ways to do things effeciently is part of teh game, what about ZvZs? should certain inject strats be banned?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 26 2012 04:36 GMT
#4679
On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.

Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess).
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
February 26 2012 04:37 GMT
#4680
On February 26 2012 13:36 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:27 dragonborn wrote:
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"


my jaw dropped at those FF when i watched them


It was spectacular. My God reminds more and more that I need to practice my forcefielding. Sometimes good FF makes the biggest difference in protoss play.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
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