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Apparently some people are dumb enough to STILL be asking for it, so let's make things clear:

Do NOT ask for re-streams, and do NOT post re-streams.

Do not come here and muddle the thread by bitching about PPV.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
February 26 2012 04:41 GMT
#4681
On February 26 2012 13:36 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:34 Dodgin wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


It was mentioned on state of the game that no tournaments have banned the mousewheel trick. so while not " cheating " in a sense that the tournament could punish him, It's still a point of debate in the community I guess.

Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not even sure myself if I consider it a cheat or not (intuitively I'd say not I guess).

personally i find it is abusable where it can give certain players the advantage and would force nerfs where they normally wouldn't be (like if ghosts could shoot so fast that it would force a snipe nerf) for players not abusing it would be unwarranted.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 26 2012 04:41 GMT
#4682
On February 26 2012 13:34 Forikorder wrote:
ZvP needs some serious rework, it seems like every battle is predicatble in the following way

if the protoss is in a choke or ahs forcefields he wins
if no forcefields but is maxed with a good deathball teh toss wins
othersise the zerg wins

its not that black and white but it seems that to be 90% true after watching some of teh ZvPs

You're a bit behind. Zerg deathball owns all unless toss is lucky with a vortex on unspread broods. But yea toss is built around FF mechanic till about 15 min. Hit them and split them you win, don't you lose. What used to be in BW powerful and expensive units are just expensive these days and protoss can't survive losing them to any degree and FF is the equalizer.
MC for president
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
February 26 2012 04:41 GMT
#4683
On February 26 2012 13:35 Tantaburs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:32 MrCon wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:27 paintfive wrote:
So did Nestea really use the mousewheel trick on Antiga vs nani? I feel like its cheating and would be rather disappointed at Nestea if he did use it.

Not sure if it's cheating, but it looked like it. He dropped like 30 infested terrans in like 0.5 seconds. Not sure if its possible with another method.


you can do it with shift queue


This, if you shift move the Infestors and spam a bunch of Infested Terrans, they all come out at the same time when the Infestors stop moving.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 04:42 GMT
#4684
On February 26 2012 13:41 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:34 Forikorder wrote:
ZvP needs some serious rework, it seems like every battle is predicatble in the following way

if the protoss is in a choke or ahs forcefields he wins
if no forcefields but is maxed with a good deathball teh toss wins
othersise the zerg wins

its not that black and white but it seems that to be 90% true after watching some of teh ZvPs

You're a bit behind. Zerg deathball owns all unless toss is lucky with a vortex on unspread broods. But yea toss is built around FF mechanic till about 15 min. Hit them and split them you win, don't you lose. What used to be in BW powerful and expensive units are just expensive these days and protoss can't survive losing them to any degree and FF is the equalizer.

i dont think i saw any ZvPs get to the late game though seems toss are understanding that taking a third base and pushing out with a powerful army before broodlord infester cant be stopped with good forcefields
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
February 26 2012 04:42 GMT
#4685
On February 26 2012 13:16 CuteZergling wrote:
Hello! I was traveling all day. I have an arena pass and would like to check out some of the games before I go to bed. Can anyone recommend the best games to watch from day 2? Thank you in advance!



Demuslim vs Nestea g1 I think
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 26 2012 04:43 GMT
#4686
On February 26 2012 13:27 dragonborn wrote:
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"



Great play by Naniwa, but too bad those two stalkers on the left walked up the ramp into all those spines and died
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
DanboSmitty
Profile Joined April 2011
80 Posts
February 26 2012 04:45 GMT
#4687
Really Impressed by Naniwa`s play today, hes always been solid, but man today he really shined especially those cluth forcefields. No shame on going out of the tournament at that place.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
February 26 2012 04:46 GMT
#4688
On February 26 2012 13:43 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:27 dragonborn wrote:
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"



Great play by Naniwa, but too bad those two stalkers on the left walked up the ramp into all those spines and died


Aww, poor Leenock, lol. He does a double take as to where those ff's came from.
CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 04:49:52
February 26 2012 04:49 GMT
#4689
I'm reposting this question because it got buried unanswered, and I have no where else to ask TT What games from Day 2 should I watch? I have an arena pass, but I was traveling all day. Would like to watch some good games before I go to bed.

Thanks! :D

Edit: Day 2 not Game 2. Oops.
Team owner of team QTLing
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
February 26 2012 04:49 GMT
#4690
Excited to see Huk's play tomorrow. I see Marineking winning the tournament however.
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
February 26 2012 04:52 GMT
#4691
On February 26 2012 13:09 Severian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:04 tuho12345 wrote:
Hell yes Parting kicked DRG's ass!!! MKP the one man army vs Protoss lol

If you're referring to LB Round 6, the 2-1 is the result of the previous series carried over into the extended series. It's going to be a Bo7.


O god, they're still implementing the extended series nonsense...sighs
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 26 2012 04:54 GMT
#4692
On February 26 2012 13:52 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:09 Severian wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:04 tuho12345 wrote:
Hell yes Parting kicked DRG's ass!!! MKP the one man army vs Protoss lol

If you're referring to LB Round 6, the 2-1 is the result of the previous series carried over into the extended series. It's going to be a Bo7.


O god, they're still implementing the extended series nonsense...sighs

with any luck well have a Bo7 finals where both players start 0-0
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 26 2012 04:56 GMT
#4693
On February 26 2012 13:54 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:52 Sc2Null wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:09 Severian wrote:
On February 26 2012 13:04 tuho12345 wrote:
Hell yes Parting kicked DRG's ass!!! MKP the one man army vs Protoss lol

If you're referring to LB Round 6, the 2-1 is the result of the previous series carried over into the extended series. It's going to be a Bo7.


O god, they're still implementing the extended series nonsense...sighs

with any luck well have a Bo7 finals where both players start 0-0

except if the winner of Huk or MKP win the first two games, its all over.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 05:03:26
February 26 2012 05:03 GMT
#4694
[Deleted]
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
February 26 2012 05:03 GMT
#4695
On February 26 2012 13:16 -TesteR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 12:54 Fubi wrote:
On February 26 2012 12:43 -TesteR- wrote:
On February 26 2012 12:30 Rarak wrote:
On February 26 2012 12:11 ElectricWizard wrote:
lmao, what a weird bunch of people you guys are. naniwa gets cheesed again and again by three different zergs because they fear his mid/late game, and you still call HIM the lame one. what the actual fuck


The common factor here is that Naniwa opens very greedy, so an intelligent response to that is to cheese him and collect your free win.

The best players identify when to do this.


Yeah, except for the fact that its a 6 pool so they dont actually know through scouting information, they cheese and hope for a build order win. Hope you understand now..

You can say the exact samething the other way around too:

Naniwa takes the risk to Nexus first (even before forge) without scouting so they dont actually know through scouting information, they eco-cheese and hope to gain a build order advantage. Hope you understand now..


Yes, a slightly earlier nexus before forge is on the same level as a 6 pool. Christ all mighty, there is nothing more I can say.. your comment speaks for itself.

Both sides are taking a risk without scouting; in that if opponent went for one (or few) of the BO, they can lose immediately. So yes, it's the same thing.
joocybaneling
Profile Joined January 2012
67 Posts
February 26 2012 05:05 GMT
#4696
On February 26 2012 13:49 canucks12 wrote:
Excited to see Huk's play tomorrow. I see Marineking winning the tournament however.



MKP is on fire but....I think DRG will win, srry MKP you are still the best kong of kong!
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 26 2012 05:06 GMT
#4697
On February 26 2012 11:24 Tachion wrote:
Time for DRG to put Nani in his place

hell
yes
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
February 26 2012 05:08 GMT
#4698
On February 26 2012 13:36 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:27 dragonborn wrote:
Highlights of the Day

1. [image loading]

2. CatZ&Drewbie casting DeMusliM vs HayprO games and saying "DeMusliM vs The Muslim"


my jaw dropped at those FF when i watched them


my #2 has to be when Tasteless said "I wonder if we're going to see a hatchery this game" in the Leenock/Naniwa G2 pre-game. Almost died.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
February 26 2012 05:14 GMT
#4699
On February 26 2012 13:49 CuteZergling wrote:
I'm reposting this question because it got buried unanswered, and I have no where else to ask TT What games from Day 2 should I watch? I have an arena pass, but I was traveling all day. Would like to watch some good games before I go to bed.

Thanks! :D

Edit: Day 2 not Game 2. Oops.


Other than Naniwa vs Zerg, my favorite game was MC vs Parting game 2, but I'd love to see more macro games tomorrow. (Game two is neat, exciting and fun... But it's also very short).
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 26 2012 05:16 GMT
#4700
On February 26 2012 14:05 joocybaneling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 13:49 canucks12 wrote:
Excited to see Huk's play tomorrow. I see Marineking winning the tournament however.



MKP is on fire but....I think DRG will win, srry MKP you are still the best kong of kong!


I think DRG is the best player left but I doubt he'll win. He's on his last life so to speak, and with extended series he starts out down 1-2 against PartinG.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
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