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On October 15 2011 04:56 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:49 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game I think it's good this way. It'd be kinda deligitimising the tourney if TT1 advanced due to a match that shouldn't have happened. That said, I understand it sucks hard for him, but maybe you should hold back in some of your comments, as they are quite harsh. I'm mad that my player and good friend got fucked over O_O what's hard to understand It is easy to understand YOUR anger. But don't expect IEM organisers, DRG, fans watching etc to feel the same kind of outrage. Tournament organizers made a misstake, they corrected it, show continues shortly. One referee made a misstake, IEM corrected it. Ofc it is regrettable, but it is not a HUGE deal tbh.
it's not a huge deal if you are not the player.
It is fk-ing huge if you are trying to get as far as you can in the tournament.
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On October 15 2011 04:54 Xeris wrote:
I'm aware of that. I'm responding like a human being, my teammate and friend won a game 3-0, he was not at all responsible for admins making mistakes, and now he has to play again.
You have no idea how tilting that is as a player.
You're responding like an asshole. Firstly as a semi-public figure you should be more careful, secondly your tournament isn't perfect either, thirdly your earlier posts were a lot less calm and collected than this one to say the least. If you have a professional problem, bitching in this thread is probably the least useful thing you could do.
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Lol @ people saying TT1 has been fucked over more, because he played a legitimate match. It wasn't legimitate, you see. I get the emotional rollercoaster part of it, pretty shitty feeling probably, but otherwise they could have as well been practise games between them. (Only that they were played on stage and casted live to thousands of people.  )
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On October 15 2011 04:57 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:57 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:56 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:53 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:52 ondik wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O THE GAME NEVER MATTERED. Is this really hard to understand? Then why did they play it? How about we ask TT1 and Gatored if the game mattered or not? ROFL. Did you listen to what carmac said? They weren't supposed to play eachother so that match doesn't count at all. It means nothing to the tourny. You didn't answer my question of why they played it. I know they weren't supposed to. But they did. Someone told them to play. Someone told them to play because whoever won will get to the semifinals. Did you even think that they didn't find out until the games were over? Thats my best guess. Then the tournament should live with the consequences of their mistake. Not the player.
That would break the correct format and fuck over everyone else.
So they had to either fuck over tt1 or fuck over everyone else. Logical choice is one person over many.
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Stop the drama and calm down 
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On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?
what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played.
Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.
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On October 15 2011 04:56 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:49 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game I think it's good this way. It'd be kinda deligitimising the tourney if TT1 advanced due to a match that shouldn't have happened. That said, I understand it sucks hard for him, but maybe you should hold back in some of your comments, as they are quite harsh. I'm mad that my player and good friend got fucked over O_O what's hard to understand It is easy to understand YOUR anger. But don't expect IEM organisers, DRG, fans watching etc to feel the same kind of outrage. Tournament organizers made a misstake, they corrected it, show continues shortly. One referee made a misstake, IEM corrected it. Ofc it is regrettable, but it is not a HUGE deal tbh.
On the other hand, as someone who's involved in running and organizing quite a few tournaments, he probably shouldn't be too quick to flame other organizers too much for an accident that can happen to anyone in the future as well (it's neither the first nor the last time this will happen, it's life).
No offense Xeris, I know it sucks for you, but still...
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I find it weird that DRG should be number one in that group, considering most tournaments do the ranking based on mutual scores taking higher precedence than map scores, but this seems to not be the case for iem which is strange to say the least
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I don't think Xeris' NASL hosting has to do with this situation.. Wether or not it's the best decision TT1 is completely fucked.
The guy did 3-0 someone and then hears he did it for nothing and he has to play the strongest player in the tournament in the same round. I don't think anyone can play properly then Idra wouldve probably GGed before the game.
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There's no clear right or wrong in this situation. However, erasing the results of a series is a more drastic solution to a mistake than having the wrong matchups. My opinion is TT1 should keep the win. That said, it's not as if there's a Big Book of Starcraft Tournament Rules to consult, so I can't be overly critical of Carmac.
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On October 15 2011 04:49 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game I think it's good this way. It'd be kinda deligitimising the tourney if TT1 advanced due to a match that shouldn't have happened. That said, I understand it sucks hard for him, but maybe you should hold back in some of your comments, as they are quite harsh. I'm mad that my player and good friend got fucked over O_O what's hard to understand
I understand the frustration because there really is just one victim here. But I agree with the decision if it's true the group placing were actually wrong according to the rules and it has to be.
I really think H2H should be counted before individual maps as a tie breaker though.
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If the exact opposite situation occurred (DRG played TT1 and won, but then IEM realized they screwed up and switched him to face Top) I guarantee the sentiment would be completely different here. Everyone just wants to avoid DRG and Top playing each other.
Meh, I'm bowing out here. I hope they at least compensate TT1 somehow (maybe auto-qualify him for the next IEM or something).
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IEM is hurting E-sports. lol
Really lame for TT1, but good call nonetheless.
Next time, hire better refs tough.
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On October 15 2011 04:58 Maenander wrote:
After looking at the prize distribution I would say ESL should just treat it like a 450$ showmatch between TT1 and Gatored, that would only be fair.
sounds fair to me, regardless the correct decision was made... but yes - i wouldnt mind seeing TT1 awared a side-pool.
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i dont understand what the big deal is... just play the correct matches... i dont understand why anyone would say the results should stand... they played the wrong opponents, period, end of story... now go play the correct opponents
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On October 15 2011 04:54 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:53 GenoZStriker wrote:On October 15 2011 04:51 DoomsVille wrote:On October 15 2011 04:49 GenoZStriker wrote:
ESL has its own rules confused. TT1 and DRG both finished second in their group. How do they make 2 second seeds play each other? They would then make two 1st seed play each other then? Which completely beats the points of even aiming for first in your group. Everything is fine like it is. They don't need to change anything. They got the tiebreaker rules wrong. DRG was supposed to finish 1st. That makes no sense what so ever. In all my years of following ESL's tournament, before SC2 even came out, they never take map score as the tie-breaker between two people. Head-to-head is always what determined two-man ties for them. Makes absolutely no sense for them to change their rules. *shrug* They've screwed this up royally.
I think they changed it so endless tiebreakers ala last year do not happen again.
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TT1 should just win against DRG and everything will be fine again :D
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On October 15 2011 04:54 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:52 UNeeK wrote:On October 15 2011 04:49 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game I think it's good this way. It'd be kinda deligitimising the tourney if TT1 advanced due to a match that shouldn't have happened. That said, I understand it sucks hard for him, but maybe you should hold back in some of your comments, as they are quite harsh. I'm mad that my player and good friend got fucked over O_O what's hard to understand nothing is hard to understand, but bashing and flaming IEM isn't going to get your friend his game back... look, it wasnt a legit game - it wasnt fair to ANYONE, drg, gatored, tt1, top.... quit acting like tt1's the victim when if DRG had lost to TOP - he would be the victim as well... why wouldnt you prefer to go straight up the way things SHOULD have been? I'd hate to win a tournament with an * stating i actually didnt play the right opponents... regardless, quit flaming and acting like a kid - aren't you the guy who runs NASL? LOL. don't talk bad about iem, lol. I'm aware of that. I'm responding like a human being, my teammate and friend won a game 3-0, he was not at all responsible for admins making mistakes, and now he has to play again. You have no idea how tilting that is as a player.
I agree that it sucks completely, and might tilt TT1, but it's you and the rest of your team's obligation to make sure that this doesn't happen, make sure TT1 doesn't take this hard, make sure he continues to play great, etc. Don't get so upset at the tournament, that doesn't get you or TT1 anywhere. While TT1 is still in it, you have to leave the past in the past, and after he's out, whether he wins or loses, then you start looking at the stupid shit that happened. The ONLY thing that should be on TT1's mind is his next game, whether he should be playing it or not, the next game should be the only thing he ever has to worry about. I'm talking from experience.
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On October 15 2011 04:59 mitthrawn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:55 Xx26Vanek26xX wrote:On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right? what the hell is wrong with you guys? you just dont do that AFTER an official match has been played. Very bad move by IEM. Apparently IPL raised the bar of being professional way too high last week. IEM just bombed esports back into the stone age.
But it's not an official match.
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On October 15 2011 04:57 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:57 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:56 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:55 FryktSkyene wrote:On October 15 2011 04:53 garbanzo wrote:On October 15 2011 04:52 ondik wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O THE GAME NEVER MATTERED. Is this really hard to understand? Then why did they play it? How about we ask TT1 and Gatored if the game mattered or not? ROFL. Did you listen to what carmac said? They weren't supposed to play eachother so that match doesn't count at all. It means nothing to the tourny. You didn't answer my question of why they played it. I know they weren't supposed to. But they did. Someone told them to play. Someone told them to play because whoever won will get to the semifinals. Did you even think that they didn't find out until the games were over? Thats my best guess. Then the tournament should live with the consequences of their mistake. Not the player.
The "tournament" doesn't mean the refs, it means "every other player". They were left with a decision to either screw over TT1 or screw over the remaining 7 players.
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