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On October 15 2011 04:53 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:51 DoomsVille wrote:On October 15 2011 04:49 GenoZStriker wrote:
ESL has its own rules confused. TT1 and DRG both finished second in their group. How do they make 2 second seeds play each other? They would then make two 1st seed play each other then? Which completely beats the points of even aiming for first in your group. Everything is fine like it is. They don't need to change anything. They got the tiebreaker rules wrong. DRG was supposed to finish 1st. That makes no sense what so ever. In all my years of following ESL's tournament, before SC2 even came out, they never take map score as the tie-breaker between two people. Head-to-head is always what determined two-man ties for them. Makes absolutely no sense for them to change their rules.
*shrug* They've screwed this up royally.
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it's funny because this thread is full of angry noobies that never had to deal with a poor decision against them as a player, so they don't even seem to understand how frustrating and painful it is for fnatic and TT1, so they just bash on Xeris, while he is right to defend his player, i mean, what do you guys think Xeris should do in this position lol, defend his player or just say "oh yes the ESL rules must be followed, sorry bro, you're against DRG now, too bad you didn't go to MLG instead".
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On October 15 2011 04:53 Spekulatius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:52 Sbrubbles wrote:On October 15 2011 04:50 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's up with this awsome french music?
Anyone know the artist/song? Sorry for quoting myself, but I really gotta know where that sexy saxophone solo comes from!!! Zaz - je veux. And there's no sax, she does it with her hand. She used to be all over Youtube some weeks ago.
wow if she can do THAT with her hand who knows what else she's capable of. I gotta meet her 
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On October 15 2011 04:54 Sqq wrote:
Wat the fuck is this song ? worst shit i've heard since the early 00's
BONG BONG BONG BONG BOING BOING BOING BOING
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On October 15 2011 04:52 UNeeK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:49 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 NuclearJudas wrote:Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game I think it's good this way. It'd be kinda deligitimising the tourney if TT1 advanced due to a match that shouldn't have happened. That said, I understand it sucks hard for him, but maybe you should hold back in some of your comments, as they are quite harsh. I'm mad that my player and good friend got fucked over O_O what's hard to understand nothing is hard to understand, but bashing and flaming IEM isn't going to get your friend his game back... look, it wasnt a legit game - it wasnt fair to ANYONE, drg, gatored, tt1, top.... quit acting like tt1's the victim when if DRG had lost to TOP - he would be the victim as well... why wouldnt you prefer to go straight up the way things SHOULD have been? I'd hate to win a tournament with an * stating i actually didnt play the right opponents... regardless, quit flaming and acting like a kid - aren't you the guy who runs NASL? LOL. don't talk bad about iem, lol.
I'm aware of that. I'm responding like a human being, my teammate and friend won a game 3-0, he was not at all responsible for admins making mistakes, and now he has to play again.
You have no idea how tilting that is as a player.
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IEM definitely fucked up. But fucking up doesn't mean they can throw the rulebook out of the window to fix the problem. They have to bite the bullet and have the proper matches played. Otherwise the winner could win illegitimately and IEM would be even more discredited. Shit sucks, but it's the right thing to do.
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On October 15 2011 04:53 oogieogie wrote:
OK WHAT HAPPENED I JUST CAME BACK?
did TT1 play vs gator or something which should not have happened or wtf?
On October 15 2011 04:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
For those of you not understanding, here's why:
IEM Season VI - Global Challenge New York
If you look at group B, DRG had an overall score of 5-3 in his group with 2-1 in BO3 stats. Gatored had an overall score of 4-4 in his group with 2-1 in BO3 stats. Yet Gatored beat DRG 2-1 in their BO3. This caused conflict on what would count highest: their individual head-to-head record or their overall group win/loss ratio. Thus, the IEM referee accidentally made the wrong call, and did not realize it until now: thus DRG and Gatored should switch places in their group and therefore also their matchups in the quarter finals.
I can understand why this happened... but really, it shouldn't have. It shouldn't have...
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On October 15 2011 04:49 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:48 garlicface wrote:God damn, we need a poll. Poll: Should IEM continue with the results of the TT1 vs Gatored match?No. TT1 regames vs DRG, Gatored regames vs his opponent. (189) 84% Yes. TT1 advances, Gatored is out. (36) 16% 225 total votes Your vote: Should IEM continue with the results of the TT1 vs Gatored match? (Vote): Yes. TT1 advances, Gatored is out.
(Vote): No. TT1 regames vs DRG, Gatored regames vs his opponent.
This poll is biased as shit. The results are purely based on what matches people want to watch, not what is fair to the players.
Actually it just shows that the minority seems to be posting a majority of the flames.
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Xeris gonna steal all of IEM's chairs.
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Anyone else notice Xeris completely duck any flak about NASL when he bashes IEM for being shitty?
Completely ignored them.
Anyways, TT1 is an ex-drophacker. I consider this indirect justice.
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On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O
No that is in no way more unfair. Fasically he played some games he thought matter and they do not, that sucks. But it is also unfair to put DRG against TOP that basically means one fo them has to go out of the tournament early, when if they played the opponents they earned by playing more than 3 games (that TT1 played wrongly) they are basically sure to both advance to the next round. I see no reason to judge one more unfair than the other, but one decision follows the rules the other does not.
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On October 15 2011 04:53 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:52 ondik wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O THE GAME NEVER MATTERED. Is this really hard to understand? Then why did they play it? How about we ask TT1 and Gatored if the game mattered or not?
ROFL.
Did you listen to what carmac said? They weren't supposed to play eachother so that match doesn't count at all. It means nothing to the tourny.
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On October 15 2011 04:53 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:52 ondik wrote:On October 15 2011 04:48 Xeris wrote:On October 15 2011 04:47 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:44 Xeris wrote:
You NEVER change the result of games already played this is complete trash administrating. How do these people get fucking paid full time to do this shit? Lol, bashing a lot ? Where is it written in law that you cannot overturn results of games that were played against the rules ? Oh, yes, you do not like it because that means TT1 is likely out. Too bad, but either way they go it will be unfair to someone and there is no objective reason to argue that one way is more unfair than the other. TT1 actually palyed games and won, that's why its more unfair to him? O_O THE GAME NEVER MATTERED. Is this really hard to understand? Then why did they play it? How about we ask TT1 and Gatored if the game mattered or not?
As previously stated, there is a lot riding on getting ro8 or ro4/finals, that's why you just can't go with a decision that was WRONG. And what? ask TT1 and Gatored if it mattered? I guess TT1 would sya it did and Gatored would say it didn't, it is not up to the players...
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On October 15 2011 04:54 mitthrawn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:49 Crosswind wrote:
Let's be clear.
Given that they had screwed up, the options were:
Screw over DRG and let the match stand. Breaks tournament rules.
Screw over TT1 and discard the match. The tournament is played out according to the brackets.
Given that both options involve screwing somebody over, why not go with the one that ensures that the correct bracket plays out?
This is an obvious decision. I'm shocked people object to it - you can be annoyed at the ref, but not at the way it was handled.
-Cross No. If an official decision was made and they let TT1 play out his match it's done. Over. Out. You just don't say whhoos... sorry guys me made a mistake and go back to the start. That's distortion of competitive. Simply as that.
nope.
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On October 15 2011 04:54 BFD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:54 Sqq wrote:
Wat the fuck is this song ? worst shit i've heard since the early 00's BONG BONG BONG BONG BOING BOING BOING BOING
hahahah, my sentiments exactly.
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On October 15 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:44 mcc wrote:On October 15 2011 04:41 Xeris wrote:
Dude that's so fucked up... how can they cancel the result of a game that was played?
They should apologize to DRG for messing up and having him play the wrong opponent, not cancel the result of a game already played Why ? Is it more unfair then DRG having to play harder opponent when he ended up 1st in the group ? Sticking to system is better as one way or another you are being unfair to someone, so at least it is according to rules. Doesnt matter. The game was already played... IEM should apologize to DRG for fucking up, not cancel a legitimate game
now they just apologize to TT1 for fucking up isn't doing the same thing and getting it right?
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On October 15 2011 04:53 Spekulatius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 04:52 Sbrubbles wrote:On October 15 2011 04:50 Sbrubbles wrote:
What's up with this awsome french music?
Anyone know the artist/song? Sorry for quoting myself, but I really gotta know where that sexy saxophone solo comes from!!! Zaz - je veux. And there's no sax, she does it with her hand. She used to be all over Youtube some weeks ago.
Thank you!
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regame is the lesser of two evils
screwing one person instead of 4 people
sucks for TT1 but there is no way around it
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Hey, can someone quickly explain what happened to those of us who just got here? Thanks.
edit: thank you
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On October 15 2011 04:53 oogieogie wrote:
OK WHAT HAPPENED I JUST CAME BACK?
did TT1 play vs gator or something which should not have happened or wtf?
TT1 and Gatored played (3-0 in TT1's favour), but the games shouldn't have happened due to a mistake in seeding, so the game was struck from the record and TT1 will instead have to face DRG and Gatored will face TOP. I'd imagine TT1 gets compensated in some way for this, although I think IEM handled this the best way possible with the information available.
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