EPTTelling us to play with backups or "it's not our fault you attended a major lan" is such bullshit.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Telling us to play with backups or "it's not our fault you attended a major lan" is such bullshit. | ||
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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KaSs
Canada12 Posts
On October 12 2011 03:59 iNcontroL wrote: Excuse me? We were current on our cw's for literally 2 weeks WAITING for the other teams to finish their cw's before the finals. We literally had a 2 week window of time where a competent league would have gotten the other teams current on their schedules and allowed a window of time for the finals to be played instead of "we are waiting, waiting waiting.. OH ok we have 2 teams now! You have 2 days to play it! Can't? Ah ok, sup x6 is winner!" Don't give me this "the world doesn't revolve around EG" bullshit. I am not asking it to nor do I think it does. I am talking about a league that is artificially rigid with it's timelines whenever it suits the few individuals and not the greater league. You didn't ever say "it must be played by X date" you just simply sucked ass at getting teams to play in a timely fashion and decided to punish EG who was ahead of schedule for a long time. It's bullshit. You saying "EG should have backups" when discussing the finals btw is hilarious. Do you have any fucking interest in a finals for a league? Do you care about the games integrity at all? And no, each season is not running better and better. This season ended with a walkover and a shitty thread announcing the next season with a "oh btw here are the places for the previous season: " Kidding me? That sounds better to you? THIS. | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
On October 12 2011 04:02 iNcontroL wrote: PS EG could play from IPL. We played infinity6 from there. We couldn't play the DAY ESEA demanded we play because the net was down at IPL and it was running behind schedule. So ESEA instead of working with us awarded the w/o to x6. Telling us to play with backups or "it's not our fault you attended a major lan" is such bullshit. tell me more about this infinity6 team they sound really interesting | ||
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
looking forward to this season | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
The net happened to be down that day, so they got a FF loss. This of course equals ESEA being a horrible, terrible league that hates EG and putting on good finals. It has nothing to do with EG banking on playing an online finals from a LAN and getting unlucky. Anyways, ESEA probably took the internet down at IPL just so EG couldn't play. tldr; Incontrol.Calm the fuck down son, you are about to have a combination fat & rage induced heart attack because your team made a mistake. User was warned for this post | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 12 2011 04:32 dbizzle wrote: I told colbi weeks in advanced that you guys would be playing near that day. I do not know why you are trying to throw a fit when colbi new well in advanced what day you guys would be playing I am throwing a fit because ESEA is willing to w/o their finals and not work with teams to play BEFORE the lan (we were ready to do it) OR a day after the lan (we are playing TL just fine today thanks). Is the league starting today? Is today some kind of huge holiday in ESEA land? Is it so busy today that ESEA can't have a ref... oh wait, they never have refs at clan wars. In fact ALL ESEA has to do is ACCEPT THE REPLAYS from the cw. Obviously today they are too busy. But all of this is ignoring what I have been saying.. you told colbi the finals COULD be played on that day? great, EG has been telling YOU we are ready to go any day before that weekend and your league was running behind schedule (obviously no w/o's.. we wouldn't want that in the pre finals now would we?) and then finals rolls around and you go "it MUST be played today.. oh no net? Sup x6 wins!" It's fucking terrible. | ||
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
I wonder whether or not you will pay any heed to this message. I guess I will start off sweet to try and keep you from instantly skipping it and calling me a hater. I think you are a great community personality and player. I love you on SoTG, I enjoy your stream, I find your dedication to the game inspiring. However, I also find you to be a really abrasive and immature member of the community at times - typically on the forums. You have a really warped sense of the world, one in which everybody is out to get you. They aren't. When somebody criticizes you, or NASL, or something EG did, or when something going wrong for you, EG, etc... it isn't a purposeful and widespread vendetta to ruin you and your affiliates lives. I think it must really suck to be you. The whole world doesn't hate you, but you sure seem to think so. That sucks. Here's my advice. Get over it. Get over yourself, your team, your insecurity. Not everybody is a hater. Not everything is going to go your way. Not everybody will like you. And it is inappropriate and embarrassing to aggressively and childishly attack and insult anything you see as 'attacking' you or yours. ------ specifically, in this case, stop acting like a fucking child and bashing ESEA. You are a professional, act like one. Attend online finals if they matter to you when you have their schedule weeks in advance. Or don't attend them because you have a LAN, that's fine. But then don't turn around and bash the online league for holding their finals when they said they would. | ||
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
I'm really sure I'm hearing both sides of this story but I feel like they should reschedule the grand finals of a league when your playing for money with professional teams. But if what da_bears is saying and that the scheduling was sound for awhile... i dunno ps really really hate esea | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:08 dbizzle wrote: You do not run ESEA, you do not know how the system works. This isn't your backyard online league, they have to plan for the year on expenses and fit it to a time frame to maximize profit to keep the league going. You don't run a successful league for many years by just winging it. I went beyond the due date and delayed even the other games in our league because sc2 went a little delayed. You are bashing me and ESEA because we couldn't fit your time schedule at a major LAN. Get backups, every team in every major sports have back up players. Just cause you cant use puma idra doesn't mean your team is down and out. I would think a person of your status would be reasonable and act a little more professional on a public forum. It's funny. You go "I would think a person of your status would be reasonable and act a little more professional on a public forum." On the heels of you explaining that your league is hugely successful and blah blah blah.. but then go on to explain that we should have backups for the finals of your league, never answer my points about us being ready weeks in advance and you setting up artificial constraints. You are right, I don't run ESEA... if I did I wouldn't w/o the finals and then announce the next season with "oh btw here are last seasons standings" in a post in my own thread. Don't give me crap about ESEA needs time to budget the year etc. We are talking about a couple days to play the finals. If you REALLY think you have your priorities straight and literally budgeting gets in the way of playing finals then you REALLY have no fucking clue. Don't take some high horse attitude and allude to a bunch of shit ESEA HAS to do RIGHT NOW. You made a choice and now you are defending it like there is no other way.. I get that. You have to do that because otherwise you look really dumb. I am going to complain because my team got robbed unfairly of a chance to win a title. I am now understanding that ESEA simply isn't going to be a force in SC2. Nobody hears anything about ESEA matches. Nobody visits the website. Nobody knows shit about your league and it's a shame. You have a huge prize pool and have ran successful leagues in the past for other games. You really think giving a walkover under these circumstances and then trying to explain that ESEA is simply too busy to play the finals and EG should have a B squad to play for the finals is smart? Really? We had Strife and Ax NOT at that lan. That is it. We literally have everyone else at the lan. So you recommend we play 2 rounds with 2 guys and then w/o the rest. Great. You seem to be a fantastic league admin. | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
If anyone has ever dealt with ESEA and know what kind of idiots their admins can be or are, they would totally side with Incontrol on this one. I am not a fan of him nor a hater, simply neutral. I came from TF2 community and ESEA was one of many team leagues for TF2. After having 5-6 Seasons of shit servers and horrible scheduling, they decided to drop TF2 unless certain amount of people/teams would sign up. They got the number they needed and had the money, and all promises that were made for community were pretty much forgotten. ESEA should never be associated with SC2, they would only bring trolls and more hate. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
EG simply needed one more day because of the internet being down at IPL and seeing as you were so gracious in waiting for other teams to finish their regular season games, it makes little sense you couldn't delay it another 24 hours. By planning expenses for the year, you mean ESEA would lose money if they waited 24 hours for the replays to be sent in? Incontrol even stated you guys never produced any admins to spectate the games so what exactly were you going to have to spend extra money on if the finals were delayed? Btw, you may not have wanted this information public but since it is now.... You should probably do a bit better of a job explaining ESEA's side of the story cause right now it looks like you guys just pissed all over EG. PS. if your going to tell Incontrol to not tell ESEA how to run its league, don't tell EG to recruit more players just to fit ESEA's schedule. | ||
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:19 dbizzle wrote: ESEA system is a little different than most leagues, but once you get used to it its really easy to handle. Torbull and lpkane are business men, they are very good at what they do. They ban teams for not showing to finals because they put ESEA's own money into helping people pay flights and run a venue and those are some of the reasons why they haven't collapsed like all the other online leagues. To play a whole season, do well, and then not show up to a lan, thats not only a slap in the face to ESEA but to all the fans who spectate the sport. You have your right to not like ESEA or the people that run it, but you have to respect that ESEA is good at what they do. HAHAHA WAIT WAIT you think it's bad to not show up to the finals right? SO HOW THE HELL do you justify not allowing EG to show up to the finals? We literally NEEDED A DAY on either side of that exact date.. a fucking eagle hit a truck and knocked the internet out for the entire state for a day. We played a CW the day before (after waiting 2 weeks for horribad ESEA to get the other teams current on their schedule) AND we could play MONDAY the day after our artificial deadline.... You want to talk about losing money? You want to talk about butchering marketing and slaps to the face? You fucking gave money to 3 teams 2 of which didn't play a final. Nobody watched it. No ad revenue. No news. No hype. NOTHING. You literally RAN AN ENTIRE LEAGUE only to get to the finals and then die. You wasted a years worth of money building NOTHING and now you are murdering your league's integrity in a new game.. the BIGGEST game in eSports atm (maybe outside of LoL). WTF man? Are you literally insane? | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:19 dbizzle wrote: ESEA system is a little different than most leagues, but once you get used to it its really easy to handle. Torbull and lpkane are business men, they are very good at what they do. They ban teams for not showing to finals because they put ESEA's own money into helping people pay flights and run a venue and those are some of the reasons why they haven't collapsed like all the other online leagues. To play a whole season, do well, and then not show up to a lan, thats not only a slap in the face to ESEA but to all the fans who spectate the sport. You have your right to not like ESEA or the people that run it, but you have to respect that ESEA is good at what they do. I don't have much in depth knowledge of ESEA in terms of CS, but saying ESEA is good at what they do is just a dumb thing to say, if a tournament ends with a walkover in the finals its pretty easy to consider it a failure, regardless of where you want to place the blame. A "good" tournament will not have a walkover in the finals. edit: Really agree with iNcontrol above... this league has potential because of the long history with CS and brand, but there is no hype, no stream, no nothing. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
These backyard online leagues as call you them to make ESEA look like God's gift eSports, do a way better job than ESEA has done for the past two season. SGL, SCL, GCPL and MCSL all run/ran by a handful of people, some even 1 person, do/did a way better job than ESEA in terms of coverage. Last season no one knew how it had ended til coL opened a thread with stream casting replays, indicating they had obviously won. And now this, a thread announcing season 3 and a derp comment with the standings. That's really terrible for a league that carries the ESEA name. And lets be honest, if you league did not have the ESEA name, you would practically be nothing. I can go to your site and practically not find anything about this league (Replays, standing, results, schedule and etc.) Start opening live report threads, make an R&S thread. Do something in terms of coverage. | ||
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smurfdoT
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:28 GenoZStriker wrote: Putting aside the shit that happened with the finals, I want to state my opinion on something I said last after last season that I seriously hope you guys consider for season 3, because I feel that it's one of many major things holding your league back. You seriously need to up your coverage, because it has been extremely pathetic. It's almost as if you put no effort what so ever in letting people know your league exist. Aside from a couple of threads that popped up with teams casting replays of their matches, indicating they have obviously won, there has been absolutely nothing. These backyard online leagues as call you them to make ESEA look like God's gift eSports, do a way better job than ESEA has done for the past two season. SGL, SCL, GCPL and MCSL all run/ran by a handful of people, some even 1 person, do/did a way better job than ESEA in terms of coverage. Last season no one knew how it had ended til coL opened a thread with stream casting replays, indicating they had obviously won. And now this, a thread announcing season 3 and a derp comment with the standings. That's really terrible for a league that carries the ESEA name. And lets be honest, if you league did not have the ESEA name, you would practically be nothing. I can go to your site and practically not find anything about this league (Replays, standing, results, schedule and etc.) Start opening live report threads, make an R&S thread. Do something in terms of coverage. Things like this are immensely needed also. No one ever knows wtf is going on with these leagues. ESEA basically leaves it up to the players/teams to advertise their own cws, and if people follow any SC2 during the ESEA season it is solely due to the fact that that team has advertising the upcoming match or w/e it is. | ||
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dbizzle
United States395 Posts
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