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BinaryGaming
Profile Joined September 2011
21 Posts
October 11 2011 22:00 GMT
#61
The biggest complaint that I would have is about the rules, and how they were enforced. Multiple times teams would set a roster, then demand to use other players than the ones established for that specific match. They would claim that the admin said it was okay, that it was allowed in other circumstances, etc. Either remove the roster-setting feature for each match, or actually enforce the rules when it comes to those 4 players playing
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 22:01:29
October 11 2011 22:00 GMT
#62
On October 12 2011 06:54 dbizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 06:06 iNcontroL wrote:
I don't want your respect I want a competent league that doesn't give w/o's in the finals. I want an admin who can admit he was wrong and not continue to go "ESEA is the best!" and then later admit "well this is my first time running a league" No shit? I couldn't tell.. well here is some huge advice GET THE FINALS PLAYED.

Want me to act professional in regards to your league? Then run a professional league. You yourself talked about giving respect and getting it. Well guess what? That sword cuts both ways. I have 0 respect for ESEA thus far. Want my respect? Stop being a shit league that makes up rules around the finals and would rather w/o a team than play the finals.

Ironically the most PR ESEA will get in 2 seasons will be me talking about this on SOTG.


You exaggerate a lot of my words when I'm trying to explain the situations of what and why things happened. I don't want to publicly put down EG and tell everyone that we've had many problems with your team through out both seasons of reporting scores and going weeks and weeks with out turning in any replays, thus delaying the season itself. You want SC2 to be the next big game and to be like korea in terms of money and how much they love it over there. Yet you can't even throw in positive advice with out sounding like an immature brat.

If you want a potential league to succeed (who is willing to throw down thousands of dollars) it takes the community to fuel it. You want to talk bad about esea and how shitty it is on your talk show, go ahead, all you are doing is putting a negative impact in the sc2 community.

You remind me of the people who bashed Championship Gaming Series when they were throwing MILLIONS of dollars for a gaming. Yea the format and things weren't ran right, but it takes time, trial and error sometimes to make something right. If the whole cs and css community showed more support the league could very well be here still today.

I don't care who you are or what team you play for, if you don't show up to a finals when you are suppose to play, you forfeit, go ahead and try it at any tournament. Even other team managers hate dealing with you because your head is so far up your own ass that you think the world is willing to bend over backwards for EG. I barely even know you and I already don't like you. You are a big icon in the starcraft 2 community and you represent yourself and EG terribly with your attitude. ESEA wasn't the best ran league, but at least I have respect for other people and try my best to fix the problems.


I look forward to reading this out loud on SOTG.

You sound like a fantastic ESEA admin! Complaining that I call you names but then turning around and doing exactly that. You want to try and say I am hurting esports because I call you out for being a shit admin? LOL try not being a shit admin dude.

It's obvious at this point you've lost it. Laurent and creig are good people. You are a horrible admin who is getting pissy because you can't admit when you are wrong and would rather start calling me names.

Also comparing my complaints about ESEA to people complaining about CGS is laughable. CGS fucked up.. not people complaining about them. Fuck you for even suggesting otherwise. And here you go again, fucking up another league and then blaming the people who are upset about it
spacek
Profile Joined June 2010
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 22:07:08
October 11 2011 22:05 GMT
#63
ESEA is obviously a great league, giving a walkover in the finals, LOL

edit: i'd just like to add that it makes me so, so happy to see ESEA screw the pooch like this, after years of trudging through that community just because it was the only way to play competitive cstrike. way to fly your true colors, guys
yaya
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 11 2011 22:07 GMT
#64
the worst part is how delusional this clown is... "ESEA is great just ask the other teams!"

We then have players/managers from what, 6 teams so far? Come into this thread and complain about how bad it has been... STOP blaming us and start owing up to your short-comings. NO this wasn't well ran, NO this isn't a good league thus far and NO you are not good at your job as far as we are concerned.

W/o finals is the worst offense but now you are running your mouth and shit talking a community you JUST entered. How does any of that make sense?
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
October 11 2011 22:10 GMT
#65
On October 12 2011 06:48 nGBeast wrote:
Rofl at everyone attacking incontrol because he's dead fucking on, TL at it's finest.

Comparing NASL problems to ESEA problems is fucking laughable, ESEA was horribly run. I spent over $100 out of my OWN pocket to let my team get some good games vs awesome teams. We ended up getting FF wins for over 50% of our matches, because of the bad scheduling system. After 9 or so weeks me team decided to give it up because giving up 2 nights was making it hard to schedule for other leagues.

Don't get me started on the reporting system, reporting wins was a fucking hassle. The rules were incomplete and there were 2 sets of SC2 rules, and 2 different map pools posted on the website for more then 9 weeks. The prize money was never updated on 1 of the rules that was posted. The site is horrible configured for SC2 and it hasn't been improved in 2 seasons.

Want to look up the score for a clan war? You had to literally click each match in a drop down match and try and figure it out there, no battle report, nothing.

With such a big prize pool you should NEVER give a team a walk over into the finals. It's fucking stupid and a terrible decision. And since this organization is so "well run" with other games, they should have the common sense not to schedule a finals where any team that was sponsored players that will be playing at events like MLG or IPL.

Don't attack incontrol with these ad homin attack's when you have no idea how it went down. He has every right to complain. Any other team leagues give teams a week off for MLG and IPL, and it's no excuse ESEA didn't think about it. When teams pay 9 fucking dollars a player, you would think this would be a little bit more well run?


ESEA likes to throw it out there and fix it when problems arise, yea, season 1 had a lot of problems and I apologize for that. The starcraft 2 teams weren't used to the systems so it caused a lot of forfeit wins and losses. Season 2 way overall better with a lot of room for improvement as well. Season 3 should be even better. A walk over finals is terrible and its a decision that I did not like making. But EG could not show up, thus forfeit. That's why ESEA encourages more people on your roster just in case something happens to any internet or computer problem.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 11 2011 22:12 GMT
#66
correction: EG could show up on every day but the one magical day where dabears decided the league ends (not previously posted/mentioned etc). EG could literally play any day but that one because of an act of god.

ESEA then goes on to say "get more players" in response to "can we paly the finals?"

LOL
xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 22:15:19
October 11 2011 22:14 GMT
#67
:/ all this twas very unfortunate
Team Operations Director for CheckSix Gaming
storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
October 11 2011 22:16 GMT
#68
Don't worry Incontrol this is just how ESEA works. I used to play esea for counter strike for years until about a year ago. Lpkane is a dick to his customers and I remember that their stat systems would be down for weeks even though that is pretty much what their users paid monthly for. There were no updates from esea when things were going wrong/not working even though users demanded it, their admins don't give a shit and would ban people for stupid/wrong reasons, yet wouldn't ban blatant hackers because their client didn't detect it. They might have improved since after I left but they were definitely not professional.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 22:17:37
October 11 2011 22:17 GMT
#69
I don't care who's right or wrong here; it's just sad to see a league admin and a representative for EG arguing in this way on public forums

ESPORTS hurting
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 11 2011 22:20 GMT
#70
On October 12 2011 03:28 hunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 03:21 iNcontroL wrote:
On October 12 2011 03:01 dbizzle wrote:
that was out of my control, EG attended IPL which they could not play in the finals. It was an unfortunate timing for EG and the schedule for ESEA, I hope in the future we can avoid such conflicts.


Nah it was horrible management by ESEA.

We waited several weeks for the other teams to catch up in schedule. It was delayed over and over again and finally ESEA steps in and wants to put their foot down on a schedule that is exactly at the same time as IPL. The internet goes down at IPL and we cannot play but ESEA decides it is best to just award a w/o in the grand finals of their tourney.

Horrific decision making. Horrible schedule management.

It's shit like this that will forever hold ESEA as a second rate clan league that continues to disappoint and get lackluster attention. How can a community take an organization serious when it basically castrates it's own finals? Nobody wants to see a w/o.. people are here to see games. But hey, if you guys want to just shuffle money our direction and continue to run a clan league that nobody is watching/caring about then that is fine. If you want to get serious and join the other organizations in running legit tourneys where people rally around and get excited let us know!


Hey Incontrol I know the world revolves around you and such, but ESEA is the premier clan league in North America. It turns out they don't only do Starcraft 2 and Starcraft 2 isn't the only game being played, but I'm glad awarding the other team a w/o instantly makes them second class. Everybody doesn't bend over backwards to get fucked by EG? Well then fuck them.

It's posts like this that garner you so many haters. The ESEA admin makes a non inflammatory post that blames nobody, and you come back and talk a load of shit. If somebody said something like this about NASL you would have a half hour sob session on SoTG before making a public scene about how everybody attacks you.

Basically, nobody wants to hear your hypocritical shit. Thanks.


iNcontrol is holding people accountable.
Stop throwing a tantrum and making things personal.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
dbizzle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 02:37:05
October 11 2011 22:25 GMT
#71
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 11 2011 22:28 GMT
#72
If you need help running the league, let me know, I'm willing to volunteer to help make it run more smoothly.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TomSlick
Profile Joined April 2010
United States36 Posts
October 11 2011 22:29 GMT
#73
im pretty sure ESEA is about the only event EG can actually win so i completely understand incontrols rage here.
CALL THE AMBERLAMPS
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 11 2011 22:31 GMT
#74
On October 12 2011 07:29 TomSlick wrote:
im pretty sure ESEA is about the only event EG can actually win so i completely understand incontrols rage here.


That's a bit inappropriate.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 11 2011 22:32 GMT
#75
On October 12 2011 07:25 dbizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 07:07 iNcontroL wrote:
the worst part is how delusional this clown is... "ESEA is great just ask the other teams!"

We then have players/managers from what, 6 teams so far? Come into this thread and complain about how bad it has been... STOP blaming us and start owing up to your short-comings. NO this wasn't well ran, NO this isn't a good league thus far and NO you are not good at your job as far as we are concerned.

W/o finals is the worst offense but now you are running your mouth and shit talking a community you JUST entered. How does any of that make sense?


I am not blaming anyone, or talking shit to the sc2 community... My whole argument is with you, not anyone else. I've been responding to people explaining what went wrong and how we can fix it. You on the other hand turn my words around and mock me on whatever I say.

I've admitted that I've made mistakes and things could have been ran better many many times. I don't even know why I'm still responding to you. It's obvious that all you care about is bashing me and ESEA. I've addressed why the finals were a walk over in so many posts, but yet you keep bringing it up in every post.

I want to run a better and more enjoyable league that people can play. If you want to talk about how I run the league or how I admin, then msg me or talk to me at mlg orlando. It's ok to be angry at how things turned up, but you are taking this way to far. Be more respectful if you want anyone to take you seriously.


Take your own advice: be more respectful if you want anyone to take you seriously.
xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
October 11 2011 22:36 GMT
#76
On October 12 2011 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you need help running the league, let me know, I'm willing to volunteer to help make it run more smoothly.

I believe ESEA is all paid staff positions so they don't take volunteers.
Team Operations Director for CheckSix Gaming
elliminist
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 22:40:20
October 11 2011 22:37 GMT
#77
On October 12 2011 07:25 dbizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 07:07 iNcontroL wrote:
the worst part is how delusional this clown is... "ESEA is great just ask the other teams!"

We then have players/managers from what, 6 teams so far? Come into this thread and complain about how bad it has been... STOP blaming us and start owing up to your short-comings. NO this wasn't well ran, NO this isn't a good league thus far and NO you are not good at your job as far as we are concerned.

W/o finals is the worst offense but now you are running your mouth and shit talking a community you JUST entered. How does any of that make sense?


I am not blaming anyone, or talking shit to the sc2 community... My whole argument is with you, not anyone else. I've been responding to people explaining what went wrong and how we can fix it. You on the other hand turn my words around and mock me on whatever I say.

I've admitted that I've made mistakes and things could have been ran better many many times. I don't even know why I'm still responding to you. It's obvious that all you care about is bashing me and ESEA. I've addressed why the finals were a walk over in so many posts, but yet you keep bringing it up in every post.

I want to run a better and more enjoyable league that people can play. If you want to talk about how I run the league or how I admin, then msg me or talk to me at mlg orlando. It's ok to be angry at how things turned up, but you are taking this way to far. Be more respectful if you want anyone to take you seriously.


Once again I see no proof you've ever apologised.

Yes you have apologized for the outcome of the finals. Have you ever considered whether it was fair or the right decision to make? It's the wrong decision.

Let's see, internet goes out in a state. Unacceptable reason to not be in a final. Check. So if for instance the power or internet went down in the eg house and all their team members were there, and eg couldn't send anyone, its disgustingly disrespectful. Right?

You make promises about making things better then blame THE TEAMS for failing to use your system for the delays. You make promises then antagonise players for providing absolutely acceptable reasons to not be at the scheduled final. Very sincere of you as an admin of a league.

Teams should not give money to this league so long as its run by ego tripping admins like dabear

edit: if he's a paid employee I believe it's time to file a complaint to his boss about whether he should even be hired by esea. He clearly isn't fulfilling his responsibilities as admin, why should he be paid to do it?
Do you think you're really entitled to anything in this world?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 11 2011 22:53 GMT
#78
On October 12 2011 07:36 VPGeneralHans wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you need help running the league, let me know, I'm willing to volunteer to help make it run more smoothly.

I believe ESEA is all paid staff positions so they don't take volunteers.


I don't mind being an exception :B
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
October 11 2011 23:13 GMT
#79
Reading this thread makes me kinda sad because I have played in there CS league for basically ever season and I can never remember any other division getting this much heat. Hopefully they improve but I will say this:
There should NEVER be a walkover in a finals of an event (Barring EXTREMEcircumstances)

The only complaint I have ever had with ESEA is honestly that once they make a decision (not matter how crazy or bad the community things it is) they DO NOT admit they were wrong about it and they do not chance there mind about it.

Honestly anyone who has based ESEA other divisions doesn't know what they are talking about IMO. Hopefully this season will be on the same quality level as its other divisions.

On October 12 2011 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
If you need help running the league, let me know, I'm willing to volunteer to help make it run more smoothly.
It seems like this is something ESEA needs to do. It honestly seems like the SC2 Division is a "grass roots" thing compared to the other division. Where a few people wanted to run it and got the ok from kane/torbull. I don't know how many admins there SC2 division has but I think they need more.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
soulcrusher
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
October 11 2011 23:22 GMT
#80
ESEA has been at it longer than any other SC2 Team League that I know of and I applaud them for their efforts. Keep up the good work. Hate to see this... only hurts NA Team Leagues.
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