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LeibSaiLeib
Profile Joined October 2010
173 Posts
October 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#241
I imagine if e sports would get REALLY big, then people like Incontrol and dbizzle would be forced to step down from their positions because of there iapropriate behaviour.

Just a thought, dont hate them in any way.
CsBiggles
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 15:16:19
October 26 2011 15:16 GMT
#242
Feel very late to the party only just seeing this now.. though I guess that is somewhat telling of the coverage ESEA has gotten.

Seems like extremely poor handling of the situation on all sides though, I guess we can only hope that the next season runs more smoothly.

On a sidenote, hoping it wasn't dBizzle who edited all of his own posts to remove the content, even a newbie to the interweb knows that once you put something online it's there for good.
"I suppose it is technically possible, although I am already in my pajamas"
conz
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom163 Posts
October 26 2011 19:13 GMT
#243
If I was in charge of check6 I'd offer to just play a clanwar and give/keep the difference between 1st/2nd depending on the outcome, I mean if that's what both teams wanted to do anyway, that way you send the "fu" to esea for managing a situation pretty poorly a still have the entertaining finals that you wanted to give the community and no doubt put time and effort in preparing for.
TheRealDude: you were lucky you scouted
icedragon
Profile Joined August 2010
86 Posts
October 26 2011 19:25 GMT
#244
As the person in charge of chaosfactors, [cf] from the bw days, we had participated in the first two esea sc2 seasons, and both of them were extremely poorly handled. We had situations where we had scheduled matches, our opponents wouldn't show up, and then would report us for losses when we didn't show up to their unilaterally rescheduled times. In addition the website kept breaking and they had an issue with timezone conversions too. After two seasons, I asked some of our players for their opinions and they all said something to the extent that it was poorly run and a waste of time.

I give my statement as a warning, and add that I had hoped esea would straighten things out and that we would potentially return to the league, but from what I see here, things continue to be poorly done.

Also, I feel that incontrol, while not always the most likable character, is completely correct in this regard, and that any attacks on his original statement are unnecessary.
How I mine for drones
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
October 26 2011 19:32 GMT
#245
first time i can ever say that bc something was run so poorly i'll definitely tune in once or twice to see the next season.
Dvolp
Profile Joined October 2010
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 19:47:21
October 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#246
When i started a team for s1 it was very poorly run as well, our final match that we won 3-2 got changed to a FFL and it stopped us from making playoffs...no reply still on why it happened

Real shame, i use Esea for Css and its great...guess sc2 just isnt their thing
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
October 26 2011 21:19 GMT
#247
Oh wow, total meltdown in here.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
October 27 2011 03:32 GMT
#248
At least Incontrol quoted dbizzle for posterity. He seems to have deleted all his posts in the thread in order to try and save face. I know Incontrol already hugged it out with these guys but the organizers should take a serious look at all the criticisms in this thread. Maybe when it was only Incontrol lambasting the organization and how it was run you could maybe possibly could have let that slip. But then one team joins in, then another, then another.... When managers, teams, players and other event organizers start to lay some truth down you'd better listen. They obviously made the wrong decision to give x6 the walkover. In the end it hurt the tournament itself and the tournament's reputation. The best way to move forward would to just own up to it, apologize and address the problems via MLG style.
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-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 18:11:05
October 28 2011 11:35 GMT
#249
Reading the responses from dbizzle in incontrol's quotes makes me laugh.

How could an organization be so unbelievably unprofessional while at the same time doing seemingly everything in their power to ruin their own profit potential?

ESEA was a joke in cs too until every other league died, and then everyone was forced to play there due to lack of other options. Looks like perhaps their heads got swollen mistakenly as a result...
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 28 2011 12:02 GMT
#250
I wonder why dbizzle and iNcontroL can't PM each other? Why make it a public spectacle? The only gain is to humiliate the other guy in public...
I had a good night of sleep.
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
October 28 2011 12:27 GMT
#251
On October 28 2011 21:02 Koshi wrote:
I wonder why dbizzle and iNcontroL can't PM each other? Why make it a public spectacle? The only gain is to humiliate the other guy in public...


i think what orb brings up is weirder. why bother deleting your posts when i can just scroll down 2 posts and read exactly what you wrote?
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 28 2011 17:41 GMT
#252
What makes me laught is some guys talking about professionalim in e-sports!!

Are you guys ok? or are you completly crazy?

What about NORMAL SPORTS players taking guns to locker rooms, having brawls, getting caught drunk and driving, caught with drugs, fighs, rapes and don't forget about doping and match fixing scandals.. this happens in NBA, MLB, NHL, european football!! Scolari who was a coach for the portuguese football team hit another player during a game, our football players some of them world class football players fought with players and even referees in a WORLD CUP(the second biggest even on TV after the olympics)!! CRISTIANO FUCKING RONALDO a big world football star when was playing for man united arguably one of the worlds top5 teams, came into my teams stadium (Benfica, a team that he hates because he is from another portuguese team) and he lost.. when he was subbed he thru us the finger!! That guy makes 12 million euros yearly.. Is that professional? Man united not only didn't punish him, they didn't even talked about it..

This is e-sports it's not a normal sport so people behave like they choose and it's up to the team owners to accept or not that type of behaviour..

do you understand that this is a discussion a forum? That's what forums are for...

Lack of professionalism is having a league with games that weren't played including the most important game of them all.. the final!

In my point of view incontrol was unprofessional, but he is also right to be pissed and maybe this is what they need to get their shit together..
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Sceptor87
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada266 Posts
October 29 2011 05:46 GMT
#253
There are always two sides to every single story, but I cannot legitimately endorse a w/o final. Period. And I'm rather shocked that some people can say it's perfectly fine. Obviously they're just flooding in from the ESEA site to share their opinions and defend their reputation with honor and Cheetos, but it just seems to completely violate months of actual work. Other tournaments have been more than reasonable to reschedule final matches and the community has been more than accepting. The reddit tournament from awhile back is a prime example of how to do it right, and in many ways the tournament benefited from it. Furthermore add on the alleged fact that a team had to fuck around for over a week waiting for other people to actually finish their matches, but then an act of God/Buddha/Shiva occurs and they get, what is in my opinion, the shaft.

Look, more tournaments are fine, and I think everyone can agree on that. But it seems to me that you tried running before you knew how to walk. I don't care what ESEA has done before in CS 1.6, CS:S, or TF2. This is Starcraft 2. It is not a shooter. It seems to me that you saw how huge SC2 is and you figured, "Fuck. Look at them and all that attention. We need to get some of that." It seems to me that you're jumping aboard the bandwagon.

If you want constructive criticism I'll be perfectly frank with you. You need to optimize your section dedicated to the game. You need to broadcast the games. You need to have more serious community outreach. You need to work with teams and managers more. You need to have a schedule that is firm, but fair and somewhat flexible that gives leniency but people can't completely exploit for their advantage. And you need to reinstall faith into your brand, because let's be honest most major teams probably saw this grand fuck up, or experienced it, and they'll steer clear. The big teams are where the big players are and the big players are where the money is. This stuff doesn't change you will become a second rate so called "backyard" league that might get some decent players in it, but will always fall short. You have a lot of competition and if you don't deliver you WILL get swept under the rug. Plain and simple.
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ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
November 03 2011 16:15 GMT
#254
I dunno why you can't have more than 3 players join a team in a week, and why matches between NA teams are being played extremely early on a thursday when most people can't play...
@ostojiy
hnQ
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
113 Posts
November 03 2011 16:51 GMT
#255
funny how most of the pro players want to make eSports more recognizable around the world but incontrol wanting to delay finals one day is 'ok'. really disappointing
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