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machination
Profile Joined September 2010
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 16:00:09
March 07 2011 15:59 GMT
#2081
Huk's initial major engagement in the first game that cleared his sentry count lost him the game. Why would you engage a zerg army on creep in a position that is advantageous to the zerg? Especially in the time between when the creep tumors are cleared and when the creep degrades.

He also didnt start high templar tech until past the 20 minute mark as a response to corruptors.

Second game was more of the same caliber of decision making (why would you cannon rush a natural when the zerg can just cancel and re rexpand?). Huk is certainly a Code A caliber Protoss, but I have trouble believing he belongs on Code S after this season's performance.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
March 07 2011 16:02 GMT
#2082
I really cannot enjoy these commentaries, I just enjoyed Tastosis way too much and got spoiled I guess. It's weird how I immediately started to appreciate Kelly's casting when Doa became the co-caster. He doesn't seem to understand the game very well, but hopefully they'll get better at it. For now I shall continue to watch VoDs/streams with sound off.

Not surprised that HuK lost, gonna watch the VoDs later but Losira is just one hell of a player who deserves to go to code s no doubt. Good to see Leenock pass aswell AND happy to see Rain get knocked out. Hopefully Leenock and Losira will make it.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
March 07 2011 16:06 GMT
#2083
ahhhhhhh. I'm sad about HuK losing. Gl to him next season.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
March 07 2011 16:11 GMT
#2084
On March 08 2011 00:59 machination wrote:
Huk's initial major engagement in the first game that cleared his sentry count lost him the game. Why would you engage a zerg army on creep in a position that is advantageous to the zerg? Especially in the time between when the creep tumors are cleared and when the creep degrades.

He also didnt start high templar tech until past the 20 minute mark as a response to corruptors.

Second game was more of the same caliber of decision making (why would you cannon rush a natural when the zerg can just cancel and re rexpand?). Huk is certainly a Code A caliber Protoss, but I have trouble believing he belongs on Code S after this season's performance.


I think game 1 HuK underestimated Losira's Roach count and in game 2 he expected to be able to cancel his cannons just after Losira cancelled his expansion, Losira played it smart by waiting until the very last second. Canceling your expo and re-expanding is a pretty big deal at that lvl of play. It hurts your build and your timing.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13387 Posts
March 07 2011 16:13 GMT
#2085
On March 08 2011 00:59 machination wrote:
Huk's initial major engagement in the first game that cleared his sentry count lost him the game. Why would you engage a zerg army on creep in a position that is advantageous to the zerg? Especially in the time between when the creep tumors are cleared and when the creep degrades.

He also didnt start high templar tech until past the 20 minute mark as a response to corruptors.

Second game was more of the same caliber of decision making (why would you cannon rush a natural when the zerg can just cancel and re rexpand?). Huk is certainly a Code A caliber Protoss, but I have trouble believing he belongs on Code S after this season's performance.



I had a similar feeling towards the second game. I was surprised he invested in 3 cannons, he could have cancelled the first 2 that were almost done and let the third one that was farther from finishing finish. I mean if the zerg decided to let the the hatch finish then one cannon would have sufficed to make it more difficult to mine and he could have put another cannon down.

To be honest I just think HuK was surprised he saw the hatch pop up and still get cancelled. I know i was REALLY surprised it was able to be cancelled.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
skipdog172
Profile Joined June 2010
United States331 Posts
March 07 2011 16:14 GMT
#2086
Well-played Losira! GL to HuK in the up and down matches!!!
Phosgene
Profile Joined February 2011
United States187 Posts
March 07 2011 16:15 GMT
#2087
I miss tastetosis but at least these Code A games are much higher in skill and more fun to watch just in that aspect
Itsgosu
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
March 07 2011 16:17 GMT
#2088
HuK defeated himself in the second game, I think that goes without saying. The first game however was very nice to watch. Losira kept denying HuK from expanding when he wanted while all the time having great drone production sense keeping his resource lead significant enough he could remax quickly to keep throwing his units at his HuK until he won the game.

A complete roflstomp with a great celebration. I'm okay that HuK lost as it means another great Zerg may be entering Code S.

+ Show Spoiler +
Hopefully he doesn't do any dancing Zerglings for the rest of his Code A matches.
Hmmm
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
March 07 2011 16:24 GMT
#2089
Just had the Chance to Watch the VODS poor Huk-Pillows damn
and Yesterday I told someone my LB are for Huks but my mind say Losira damn Mind won
all Foreigners out sad day indead

on the new Caster combo how are they switching out now, everyone with everyone?

also the New Guy Doa solid Professionel Casting falls into the Category Analytical for me unless he just saves his Jokes up for when he is more established.

and 2 Analytical Casters is a Problem for me I'll see how this develops.

I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 07 2011 16:24 GMT
#2090
I love doa... FANTASTIC job! especially on ur first day :D
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13387 Posts
March 07 2011 16:33 GMT
#2091
Just finished watching the leenock games and I gotta say I love leenock as a Zerg player. Easily one of the best Zerg's i've seen play in the GSL and considering his age i can see him maturing into an extremely strong player in the future.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
March 07 2011 16:34 GMT
#2092
Just finished up watching this. Doa is a pretty good caster, sad that Huk lost but he made a good standing in his first code A showing. More time to practice for the TSL3!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11046 Posts
March 07 2011 16:46 GMT
#2093
Doa sounds alright. No tasteless, but I could definitely be sold.

Loisira played damn well imo. Can't wait to see you next season huk. t.t some good games at least :D
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
March 07 2011 16:52 GMT
#2094
jesus christ anyone see the dissappointment in huk's face when he lost
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
March 07 2011 16:55 GMT
#2095
I like the new guys voice/style/professionalism but I'm still not sold that he has any clue what's going on at the higher levels during the game.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 07 2011 17:07 GMT
#2096
wow that was a total surprise seeing doa there! lol
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:08:28
March 07 2011 17:07 GMT
#2097
On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent.


Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea.

On March 07 2011 23:47 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 07 2011 22:30 hifriend wrote:
On March 07 2011 22:14 HankScorpio wrote:
Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.



I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside.

He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL.

His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet.

Shoddy argument of convenience. Poor form.

HuK lost to Losira because Losira is one of the best three zergs in Korea. Nothing to be ashamed of. HuK will make Code S. HuK beat a mediocre and a very good zerg in the earlier rounds. Curious lost his game before he threw away those banelings. "HuK six gating" happened to be a really strong and well executed timing attack, yet you give him no credit. He defeated Revival with a great all-in defense in the second game. In the third game, Revival gambled heavily on army, and very nearly won, but HuK wrenched control back from him at the very end and killed him. Good game from both.

Where did all the HuK hate come from? This is seriously stupid. Really impressive player.

I don't hate huk. I don't hate any starcraft player. I'm not a fan though and I wouldn't wish to see him advance into code S to replace a more solid player. Ret and moonglade are much stronger players from what I've seen.

Yes I described those series very briefly and black and white-ish but what it came down to was zergs doing some very essential mistakes that someone in code a shouldn't have been doing, and ZvP is a matchup that never allows for that to happen. In game 2 on shakuras against revival huk played a truly aweful early and mid game and it set him back to a point where a comeback really shouldn't even be a possibility. The guy didn't have his third up by the time his main was mined out and revival had taken most of the map and had larva and minerals to remax several times.

The only reason huk managed to claw his was back wasn't due to some amazing play on his part but rather due to the fact that revival was unable to get out a decent unit composition which is everything in late game zvp. Huk played a really bad game and won. After his 6 gate timing failed, he should have lost, but he lucked out and won.

Anyway the state of pvz is pretty debatable right now.


You do know Revival went Hive at the 21th minute mark while Losira never went Hive against Huk?

I think what really killed Huk was the Colossus transition in that first game against Losira (maybe the passivity, but it's hard to tell). Losira had a better economy and could throw away Corruptors. While Huk on the other hand, could not throw away Colossus.

You do have to realize that Losira's macro is amazing (How many 200 armies did he throw? Seriously...).

Edit: Oops, missing a quote.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:12:59
March 07 2011 17:10 GMT
#2098
On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent.


Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea.


But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL and I haven't actually seen him play particularly poorly. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it.
meowmasta
Profile Joined September 2010
146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:15:59
March 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#2099
On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent.


Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea.


Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 23:47 hifriend wrote:
On March 07 2011 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 07 2011 22:30 hifriend wrote:
On March 07 2011 22:14 HankScorpio wrote:
Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.



I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside.

He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL.

His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet.

Shoddy argument of convenience. Poor form.

HuK lost to Losira because Losira is one of the best three zergs in Korea. Nothing to be ashamed of. HuK will make Code S. HuK beat a mediocre and a very good zerg in the earlier rounds. Curious lost his game before he threw away those banelings. "HuK six gating" happened to be a really strong and well executed timing attack, yet you give him no credit. He defeated Revival with a great all-in defense in the second game. In the third game, Revival gambled heavily on army, and very nearly won, but HuK wrenched control back from him at the very end and killed him. Good game from both.

Where did all the HuK hate come from? This is seriously stupid. Really impressive player.

I don't hate huk. I don't hate any starcraft player. I'm not a fan though and I wouldn't wish to see him advance into code S to replace a more solid player. Ret and moonglade are much stronger players from what I've seen.

Yes I described those series very briefly and black and white-ish but what it came down to was zergs doing some very essential mistakes that someone in code a shouldn't have been doing, and ZvP is a matchup that never allows for that to happen. In game 2 on shakuras against revival huk played a truly aweful early and mid game and it set him back to a point where a comeback really shouldn't even be a possibility. The guy didn't have his third up by the time his main was mined out and revival had taken most of the map and had larva and minerals to remax several times.

The only reason huk managed to claw his was back wasn't due to some amazing play on his part but rather due to the fact that revival was unable to get out a decent unit composition which is everything in late game zvp. Huk played a really bad game and won. After his 6 gate timing failed, he should have lost, but he lucked out and won.

Anyway the state of pvz is pretty debatable right now.


You do know Revival went Hive at the 21th minute mark while Losira never went Hive against Huk?

I think what really killed Huk was the Colossus transition in that first game against Losira (maybe the passivity, but it's hard to tell). Losira had a better economy and could throw away Corruptors. While Huk on the other hand, could not throw away Colossus.

You do have to realize that Losira's macro is amazing (How many 200 armies did he throw? Seriously...).

Edit: Oops, missing a quote.


And you know who's ramping him up as the best Terran in Korea? ST_Ace, his teammate. No, clearly no bias there

Don't get me wrong, he's probably still one of the top 5 Terrans atm, but there's a little bit of favoritism from Ace. Just sayin'.
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
March 07 2011 17:14 GMT
#2100
On March 08 2011 02:10 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:
On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent.


Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea.


But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it.


He has? Apart from the ICCup challenge, I do not know what you are referring to.

And I'm sorry, Losira has better showing the GSL. He took out Byun and July. That is no small feat.
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