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Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.
I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside.
He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL.
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just saw the VODs  GL in up and down huk!
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Sorry for offtopic, but anyone know if Gom is streaming "Picking players to Up/Down matches"?
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On March 07 2011 20:33 Ojahh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 20:31 KristianJS wrote:Huk Does he still get to play in Up and Down matches? Yep dont worry he is in the Up/Down series
That's good  I definitely want to see more from him!
There's a lot of heavy hitters in the Up/Down series... it'll be interesting to see how HuK measures up to them.
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On March 07 2011 22:14 HankScorpio wrote:Show nested quote +Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance. I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside. He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL.
His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet.
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GO GO Zerg, I'm especially happy the Zergs both won there cheese m atches.
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And LosirA did it again. Definitely best or at least one of the best Code A player. So im same time happy that my fav Code A player won but same time little bit upset when HuK lost . Leenock's also sick and for sure Code S player. Really good games
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HuK just sent his probe to build a gate behind the forge that was dying a sec late and the sentry was on the way thats all. After wasting 3 cannons thats a very impressive defence I would say. Ofcourse, luck always plays a part in SC2. Luck wasnt on HuK's side or else Losira would have gg'd a minute late T.T. go kill em all in the up/down matches HuK. You the man!!
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Jinro layin' down the law. Support the foreigners guys cmon.
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supernova played only since november? wut? nice
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A) New caster is great. I'd frankly say he gives off a more professional impression than Tastosis, and I like that. Good for attracting more to the e-sport.
B) HuK deserved his loss, although I was certainly rooting for him. First game, I don't know how you plan to win by sitting in your base for that long. At one point, HuK clearly had just won a battle and had map control with colossi and no corruptors out. What does he do? Walk back to his base. Good defense is good, but with zerg, what do you think is going to eventually happen? You'll get countered, whittled down, and eventually it's like fighting Sauron.
And then the next game he goes forge first with aggressive cannon play to the Zerg's NE. In my humble opinion, when a protoss player does that, he absolutely deserves to lose. It's weak, gimmicky, all-in play. You're spending significant minerals on static defense on the other side of the map. If a zerg even manages to just ignore it, you're going to lose.
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how did+ Show Spoiler + the hatch pop and morph lol and then get cancelled at 1499 hp ? lol
(huk game 2 comment)
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On March 07 2011 22:59 Leporello wrote:
B) HuK deserved his loss, although I was certainly rooting for him. First game, I don't know how you plan to win by sitting in your base for that long. At one point, HuK clearly had just won a battle and had map control with colossi and no corruptors out. What does he do? Walk back to his base. Good defense is good, but with zerg, what do you think is going to eventually happen? You'll get countered, whittled down, and eventually it's like fighting Sauron.
Not really. If he sat back and got more tech he could've still won, because once Protoss has that close-to-invincible deathball of maxed VR/phoenix with colossi and gateway units, they can easily demolish a 200 food Zerg army and sit on top of Zerg's natural, killing all the spawning units as they pop. HuK just made some bad decisions overall, like sitting back and basically doing nothing.
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On March 07 2011 23:05 hmunkey wrote:
Not really. If he sat back and got more tech he could've still won, because once Protoss has that close-to-invincible deathball of maxed VR/phoenix with colossi and gateway units, they can easily demolish a 200 food Zerg army and sit on top of Zerg's natural, killing all the spawning units as they pop. HuK just made some bad decisions overall, like sitting back and basically doing nothing.
He had just shown Losira his Colossi and won a decent battle with them. At that point you need to assume corruptors are on the way, and you need to get in some damage while you can.
I definitely agree HuK needed Stargate units as well. I'm not sure HuK even built a Stargate that game, although we're seeing more and more how devastating phoenixes can be to Zerg. He went so heavy against the ground army with just stalkers for air-defense. I really don't know how he expected his opponent to not come and crush him with corruptors.
Arm-chair quarterbacking, just my opinion, but that's how I saw it. When HuK sent his colossi back to his base instead of even poking at any one of Losira's 5 hatcheries, it was pretty much GG right then and there. He gained map control and threw it right back to his opponent.
Edit: Only reason I'm being vocally critical is because I definitely wanted to see HuK in Ro4. Best of luck to him in Up and Down. His Ro16 matches were quite awesome, so these were disappointing.
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On March 07 2011 22:30 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 22:14 HankScorpio wrote:Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance. I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside. He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL. His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet.
Shoddy argument of convenience. Poor form.
HuK lost to Losira because Losira is one of the best three zergs in Korea. Nothing to be ashamed of. HuK will make Code S. HuK beat a mediocre and a very good zerg in the earlier rounds. Curious lost his game before he threw away those banelings. "HuK six gating" happened to be a really strong and well executed timing attack, yet you give him no credit. He defeated Revival with a great all-in defense in the second game. In the third game, Revival gambled heavily on army, and very nearly won, but HuK wrenched control back from him at the very end and killed him. Good game from both.
Where did all the HuK hate come from? This is seriously stupid. Really impressive player.
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I don't think HuK played bad at all, Losira just played better.
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HuK's PvZ has always been his weak MU and he finally met a Zerg that didn't throw the game away. Hopefully he improves for next season.
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On March 07 2011 22:02 hifriend wrote:
Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.
I'm not a Huk fan at all and would be quite critical if I were to voice my opinion, but please, he consistently crushes Losira on ladder and yes that is evidence suggesting he would beat losira if they played enough games.
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