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On March 08 2011 02:12 meowmasta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent. Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea. On March 07 2011 23:47 hifriend wrote:On March 07 2011 23:18 tree.hugger wrote:On March 07 2011 22:30 hifriend wrote:On March 07 2011 22:14 HankScorpio wrote:Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance. I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside. He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL. His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet. Shoddy argument of convenience. Poor form. HuK lost to Losira because Losira is one of the best three zergs in Korea. Nothing to be ashamed of. HuK will make Code S. HuK beat a mediocre and a very good zerg in the earlier rounds. Curious lost his game before he threw away those banelings. "HuK six gating" happened to be a really strong and well executed timing attack, yet you give him no credit. He defeated Revival with a great all-in defense in the second game. In the third game, Revival gambled heavily on army, and very nearly won, but HuK wrenched control back from him at the very end and killed him. Good game from both. Where did all the HuK hate come from? This is seriously stupid. Really impressive player. I don't hate huk. I don't hate any starcraft player. I'm not a fan though and I wouldn't wish to see him advance into code S to replace a more solid player. Ret and moonglade are much stronger players from what I've seen. Yes I described those series very briefly and black and white-ish but what it came down to was zergs doing some very essential mistakes that someone in code a shouldn't have been doing, and ZvP is a matchup that never allows for that to happen. In game 2 on shakuras against revival huk played a truly aweful early and mid game and it set him back to a point where a comeback really shouldn't even be a possibility. The guy didn't have his third up by the time his main was mined out and revival had taken most of the map and had larva and minerals to remax several times. The only reason huk managed to claw his was back wasn't due to some amazing play on his part but rather due to the fact that revival was unable to get out a decent unit composition which is everything in late game zvp. Huk played a really bad game and won. After his 6 gate timing failed, he should have lost, but he lucked out and won. Anyway the state of pvz is pretty debatable right now. You do know Revival went Hive at the 21th minute mark while Losira never went Hive against Huk? I think what really killed Huk was the Colossus transition in that first game against Losira (maybe the passivity, but it's hard to tell). Losira had a better economy and could throw away Corruptors. While Huk on the other hand, could not throw away Colossus. You do have to realize that Losira's macro is amazing (How many 200 armies did he throw? Seriously...). Edit: Oops, missing a quote. And you know who's ramping him up as the best Terran in Korea? ST_Ace, his teammate. No, clearly no bias there  Don't get me wrong, he's probably still one of the top 5 Terrans atm, but there's a little bit of favoritism from Ace. Just sayin'.
I'd agree if he chose July as the best Zerg, but he didn't 
Edit: hint, it's someone from IM.
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HuK really just had two major errors, the first engagement in game 1 (sentries getting wiped out), and letting all 3 cannons complete in game 2. No big deal, as long as he plays better in the Up & Downs (knocking out an opponent I don't care for, I hope)
Kelly casting much better with the new guy, seemed like she was holding back when her seniors were around (particularly Artosis, hard to contribute at all with the Starcraft wiki sitting next to you). This new pair should do fine.
Lastly, SlayerS_Alicia is just fuckn sick. He should end up winning the whole tournament, he just seems to be playing on another level, especially his PvT, which is looking 2nd only to MC's. His decision making is just awe-inspiring, the other Toss could really learn from watching him play. Can't wait to see his next match...
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On March 08 2011 02:14 warshop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:10 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent. Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea. But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it. He has? Apart from the ICCup challenge, I do not know what you are referring to. And I'm sorry, Losira has better showing the GSL. He took out Byun and July. That is no small feat.
July was dreadful in that game, as he has actually usually been. It's not a question of who you beat, it's how you beat them and how well they played. Beating someone in a BO1 isn't particularly convincing either. Bomber went 3-4 against MC in Ygosu invitational finals. Oh and also beat Losira in GSTL, not that it means anything. Besides, pretty much everyone in Korea is saying Bomber is very good, while I haven't seen or heard much hype about Losira, Nestea's remarks aside but he isn't exactly impartial.
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On March 08 2011 02:21 cordlc wrote:
Lastly, SlayerS_Alicia is just fuckn sick. He should end up winning the whole tournament, he just seems to be playing on another level, especially his PvT, which is looking 2nd only to MC's. His decision making is just awe-inspiring, the other Toss could really learn from watching him play. Can't wait to see his next match...
I cannot wait to see Alicia vs SuperNoVa, it will be a sick match!
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Is there a link to the interview that John did with Huk? Or is that part of the season ticket with Gom?
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On March 08 2011 02:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:14 warshop wrote:On March 08 2011 02:10 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent. Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea. But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it. He has? Apart from the ICCup challenge, I do not know what you are referring to. And I'm sorry, Losira has better showing the GSL. He took out Byun and July. That is no small feat. July was dreadful in those games, as he has actually usually been. It's not a question of who you beat, it's how you beat them and how well they played. Beating someone in a BO1 isn't particularly convincing either. Bomber went 3-4 against MC in Ygosu invitational finals. Oh and also beat Losira in GSTL, not that it means anything. Besides, pretty much everyone in Korea is saying Bomber is very good, while I haven't seen or heard much hype about Losira, Nestea's remarks aside but he isn't exactly impartial.
Are you kidding me (see bold part)?
Losira won against Byun on Shakuras Plateau close position which was, in that time, supposedly Byun's invincible strategy.
Losira is top of the KR ladder.
Losira lost in that YGosu tournament to Clide in a BO3 2-1. Clide previously defeated IMMVP in a BO1.
A single BO3 doesn't speak for that much either, but if you're going to be throwing down the hammer based on those results, at least look at the bigger picture.
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It's unfortunate to see no (2-1) results; too bad HuK didn't make it through.
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On March 08 2011 02:21 cordlc wrote:
Lastly, SlayerS_Alicia is just fuckn sick. He should end up winning the whole tournament, he just seems to be playing on another level, especially his PvT, which is looking 2nd only to MC's. His decision making is just awe-inspiring, the other Toss could really learn from watching him play. Can't wait to see his next match...
You know who eliminated ST_Bomber from the qualifiers?
Slayers_Alicia :D. So yeah he is a beast, especially in PvT, him and Losira can win code A probably.
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On March 08 2011 02:32 warshop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:24 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:14 warshop wrote:On March 08 2011 02:10 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent. Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea. But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it. He has? Apart from the ICCup challenge, I do not know what you are referring to. And I'm sorry, Losira has better showing the GSL. He took out Byun and July. That is no small feat. July was dreadful in those games, as he has actually usually been. It's not a question of who you beat, it's how you beat them and how well they played. Beating someone in a BO1 isn't particularly convincing either. Bomber went 3-4 against MC in Ygosu invitational finals. Oh and also beat Losira in GSTL, not that it means anything. Besides, pretty much everyone in Korea is saying Bomber is very good, while I haven't seen or heard much hype about Losira, Nestea's remarks aside but he isn't exactly impartial. Are you kidding me (see bold part)? Losira won against Byun on Shakuras Plateau close position which was, in that time, supposedly Byun's invincible strategy. Losira is top of the KR ladder. Losira lost in that YGosu tournament to Clide in a BO3 2-1. Clide previously defeated IMMVP in a BO1. A single BO3 doesn't speak for that much either, but if you're going to be throwing down the hammer based on those results, at least look at the bigger picture.
I haven't been arguing that Losira is bad, though you could reach that conclusion based on some of his code A games, but that he isn't a top (~5) Zerg and that I don't think there's all that much basis for some of the praise he is getting here.
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On March 08 2011 02:38 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 02:32 warshop wrote:On March 08 2011 02:24 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:14 warshop wrote:On March 08 2011 02:10 syllogism wrote:On March 08 2011 02:07 warshop wrote:On March 07 2011 23:57 syllogism wrote:
One of the "best three zergs in korea" and yet he kept failing to qualify for GSL and his code A games so far, the games today aside, have been quite underwhelming. Even outside GSL, his performance hasn't been good. He could very well be a top zerg, but he hasn't proven himself at all yet. Just like Leenock, he is at the very least wildly inconsistent. Yet, ST_Bomber has inconsistent results and is, according to the recent IEM winner, the best Terran in Korea. But he actually has some very impressive showings outside GSL. Losira has a somewhat impressive game or two, but that's about it. He has? Apart from the ICCup challenge, I do not know what you are referring to. And I'm sorry, Losira has better showing the GSL. He took out Byun and July. That is no small feat. July was dreadful in those games, as he has actually usually been. It's not a question of who you beat, it's how you beat them and how well they played. Beating someone in a BO1 isn't particularly convincing either. Bomber went 3-4 against MC in Ygosu invitational finals. Oh and also beat Losira in GSTL, not that it means anything. Besides, pretty much everyone in Korea is saying Bomber is very good, while I haven't seen or heard much hype about Losira, Nestea's remarks aside but he isn't exactly impartial. Are you kidding me (see bold part)? Losira won against Byun on Shakuras Plateau close position which was, in that time, supposedly Byun's invincible strategy. Losira is top of the KR ladder. Losira lost in that YGosu tournament to Clide in a BO3 2-1. Clide previously defeated IMMVP in a BO1. A single BO3 doesn't speak for that much either, but if you're going to be throwing down the hammer based on those results, at least look at the bigger picture. I haven't been arguing that Losira is bad, though you could reach that conclusion based on some of his code A games, but that he isn't a top (~5) Zerg.
I'll agree with you that it's hard to say who's on top. The competition so close that each GSL we have upsets.
I'll disagree with you that Losira is amazingly strong right now (based on results). He is a beast.
We'll leave it at that, to each his opinion
That being said, go Huk in the Up&Down matches! Huk Fighting~~!!
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only saw huk's first game.. he seemed too passive.
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Is there any gif of Losira ceremony ? That would be funny to see it since we saw a thousand of Huk making the "shhhhh" in gif a second after he did it.
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On March 07 2011 18:36 Kappa09 wrote:
She actually failed hard on her math...150x3 = 450, not 550. So much for being good at math...
lol. you forgot the pylon.
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Too bad Huk lost, but I was kind of expecting it since Losira is a beast. Also, I am a fan of Alicia now, his Ro16 games was awesome and these Ro8 game show what he can defend cheese and cheese well himself. That is what you need to become a great player.
Rooting for Alicia to win Code A.
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Not gonna lie, HuK really doesn't seem code S material after watching this.
Even if Losira is code S quality and one of the best zergs, a code S player would have put up a better right then that.
The top 4 finishers though, all look extremely strong
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I just came back home from work and watched the VODS and have to say: this new caster is awesome!
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So, what was Huk supposed to on game 1? Not gonna say Huk was playing flawlessly but he was playing pretty damn good and Losira just kept doing roaches up until the very end where he got like 20 corruptors to snipe 2 or 3 colls.
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On March 08 2011 03:35 Footler wrote:
So, what was Huk supposed to on game 1? Not gonna say Huk was playing flawlessly but he was playing pretty damn good and Losira just kept doing roaches up until the very end where he got like 20 corruptors to snipe 2 or 3 colls.
Not lose all his sentries during a horrible overextending push... He lost the game way before you actually think he did.
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To LR makers: stop putting every individual set in a spoiler... it's totally unnecessary.
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