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Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.
I'd counter that by saying that Huk in turn played a horrible series against Losira. Too passive in game 1, and should have cancelled 2 of his expo blocking cannons in game 2/left a probe scout outside.
He's played much better games before - seemed pretty nervous. Keep in mind that he's not a seasoned SC1 pro, who have been through this pressure before. Ton of eyes on him this GSL.
His series against Revival wasn't exactly great either, basically came down to revival being unable to win a game from a huge advantage on shakuras, matchup obviously had something to do with that as well. The first series was just a zerg throwing away 30 banes and 7 overlords and the second set of that series was huk 6 gating. There just hasn't been anything particularly impressive as of yet.
Shoddy argument of convenience. Poor form.
HuK lost to Losira because Losira is one of the best three zergs in Korea. Nothing to be ashamed of. HuK will make Code S. HuK beat a mediocre and a very good zerg in the earlier rounds. Curious lost his game before he threw away those banelings. "HuK six gating" happened to be a really strong and well executed timing attack, yet you give him no credit. He defeated Revival with a great all-in defense in the second game. In the third game, Revival gambled heavily on army, and very nearly won, but HuK wrenched control back from him at the very end and killed him. Good game from both.
Where did all the HuK hate come from? This is seriously stupid. Really impressive player.
I don't hate huk. I don't hate any starcraft player. I'm not a fan though and I wouldn't wish to see him advance into code S to replace a more solid player. Ret and moonglade are much stronger players from what I've seen.
Yes I described those series very briefly and black and white-ish but what it came down to was zergs doing some very essential mistakes that someone in code a shouldn't have been doing, and ZvP is a matchup that never allows for that to happen. In game 2 on shakuras against revival huk played a truly aweful early and mid game and it set him back to a point where a comeback really shouldn't even be a possibility. The guy didn't have his third up by the time his main was mined out and revival had taken most of the map and had larva and minerals to remax several times.
The only reason huk managed to claw his was back wasn't due to some amazing play on his part but rather due to the fact that revival was unable to get out a decent unit composition which is everything in late game zvp. Huk played a really bad game and won. After his 6 gate timing failed, he should have lost, but he lucked out and won.
Anyway the state of pvz is pretty debatable right now.
On March 07 2011 22:02 hifriend wrote: Been saying it all along, only reason huk got past 2 players was because he didn't have to face anyone that was either good or that wasn't playing Z. Both zergs played absolutely horrible series against huk and when a decent zerg like losira came along, not a chance.
I'm not a Huk fan at all and would be quite critical if I were to voice my opinion, but please, he consistently crushes Losira on ladder and yes that is evidence suggesting he would beat losira if they played enough games.
I don't think it is. From what I've seen, and yes I do watch his stream from time to time, huk relies on a pretty select few builds that are bound to do incredibly well in a ladder setting. PvZ he has a tendency to try and inflict some early damage either by cannoning a natural, pushing out with an extremely vulnerable sentry/lot force or by just endlessly stalling a hatch.
He then capitalizes on whatever economic setback he has managed to cause almost invariably by pushing out with a 5/6 gate army possibly with +1 and halted probe production. The problem with this sort of play is that it just doesn't cut it in a tournament setting. When the opponent has time and opportunity to study replays and prepare for the various little tricks huk can manage to come up with, huk's play will keep falling flat until he changes up his style.
I agree that ZvP is a really tough match-up right now. But that's not really important. HuK has earned his wins.
What happened in the Revival game was that zerg committed everything towards matching HuK's unit count and denying him a third. HuK is aggressive, we know this, it's not a fault but a playstyle. Revival knew it too. So in producing a larger army in the midgame, Revival hoped to either scare HuK into fatal passivity, or draw him out into a battle that he would certainly lose. HuK to his credit seemed to have figured out what the game was after a couple pokes, and then played a patient prodding game until he got enough stuff and tech to take his third. Revival could maybe have won with broodlords, but HuK controlled well to take them down. Think of it as an extended all-in; once HuK broke the back of Revival's main army and was allowed to expand, then there was nothing zerg could do to stop him.
And Losira is one of the top three zergs in Korea. NesTea is probably better, and I'm allowing that someone else might be as well. But with IdrA gone, I'm not sure who.
And Rain heheh. Despite people hating him for being lucky or whatever... still liked him as a person.
Also just wanted to note
Just because the LR thread moves quickly doesn't mean that posting standards stray from The Ten Commandments, although if you read the LR thread you wouldn't know this.
I think it should be "although if you don't read the LR thread you wouldn't know this" right?
On March 08 2011 04:28 Canucklehead wrote: Sad to see the best player in code a knocked out already! Don't worry, huk is going to win the up/down matches!
On March 08 2011 04:28 Canucklehead wrote: Sad to see the best player in code a knocked out already! Don't worry, huk is going to win the up/down matches!
What? This has got to be a joke
Firstly - happy birthday haha it is just fanboyism at its best. You can't really blame people for this - HuK is pretty awesome.
Anyone else really impressed with Doa? This guy has a future
On March 08 2011 03:43 AJMcSpiffy wrote: Really sad to see HuK get knocked out but he at least has Code A clinched for next season (right?) at least. The games were really good still, can't wait to see if we get an interview from him to hear his opinions on what happened.
He is in up/down matches so he has a chance for code s
Hope HuK doesn't get stuck playing vs Nestea or MVP though, it would be disappointing for one of them to not make code S. Other than Nestea and MVP, pretty sure HuK can win vs anyone in the up/down matches.
If you want to play with the best you shouldn't have an attitude that you want to avoid them..
On March 08 2011 04:28 Canucklehead wrote: Sad to see the best player in code a knocked out already! Don't worry, huk is going to win the up/down matches!
What? This has got to be a joke
Sometimes the best lose, see mvp 1st round. Huk and Alicia are the two best code a players this season, but upsets happen all the time this season so far.
On March 08 2011 04:28 Canucklehead wrote: Sad to see the best player in code a knocked out already! Don't worry, huk is going to win the up/down matches!
What? This has got to be a joke
Sometimes the best lose, see mvp 1st round. Huk and Alicia are the two best code a players this season, but upsets happen all the time this season so far.
I'd like to know what you're basing this off of. HuK played well (but not amazingly) in all of his games, and it's undeniable that he got very lucky in the Ro16. It's not HuK's fault that RevivaL screwed up, but the fact of the matter is that HuK got himself into absolutely horrible situations twice, and was only able to recover with a combination of good play and significant mistakes by his opponent. I think he's clearly demonstrated that he's Code A material, but he just doesn't measure up to the likes of LoSirA, Leenock, Alicia, or SuperNova, and I'd say he's probably behind MMA, Killer, and maybe a few others as well.
Honestly, the bottom line is that it's not even possible to be sure, since so far we've only seen his PvZ in the GSL. He's an awesome player, no doubt about it, but he's definitely not the best (or second best, or third best) player in Code A. Is it his so-called predictability? Eh, maybe. Is it nerves? Probably a bit. It's really hard to say after so few performances. I think HuK could become one of the best players in Code A (or...Code S???) in the future, and I'm hoping like hell that he gets a lucky draw in the Up and Down matches, but right now he just doesn't measure up to the best of his competition.
Despite all of that, HuK actually had one of the less one-sided matches today. I was disappointed to see him lose, but really, LoSirA is a fantastic player, and HuK put up a way better fight than Virus or Rain did. Keep fighting, HuK! We believe in you!
On March 07 2011 18:42 Me1234 wrote: well played huk but he cant win against a player like losira
Do you have any idea what their head to head record is..........?
And I'm sure you have some idea what the current state of PvZ is like at your level. And is it really relevant what the behind-the-scene score is? Would you prefer to be on top of the ladder or to grab $40K in a tournament?
On March 07 2011 18:39 tirentu wrote: Did he just do a ceremony after an all-in? There's something really horrible about that.
So canon-rushing isn't all-in? lol, good logic.
Huk simply got outplayed totally, Losira is really good. Maybe next time Huk! Still a hope for foreigners.
What Huk did wasn't an all in lol.... he expanded off of it.
Yep, cannon rushing isnt all-in at all - he just messed up the cannon cancelling and got allined.
But it's a cheese.. just like double-bunker block on the bottom of a ramp. (No longer possible thanks to.. some of the past GSL games) Also, it wasn't Huk himself who messed up the cancel, but Losira who made Huk mess up with his incredible last-millisecond hatchery cancel. It was Losira's quick thinking and strategic choice that decided the game, not Huk's mistake. Let's be honest here.
It was very apparent to me in today's matches that those who are less confident seem to go for cheese.
On March 08 2011 04:28 Canucklehead wrote: Sad to see the best player in code a knocked out already! Don't worry, huk is going to win the up/down matches!
What? This has got to be a joke
Sometimes the best lose, see mvp 1st round. Huk and Alicia are the two best code a players this season, but upsets happen all the time this season so far.
There would be a significant amount of disagreement with your thought on HuK and Alicia being the two best Code A players..
Even before today i'd say Losira was the better player; you are also forgetting Ganzi.. but everyone has their own opinion..
EPT
haha it is just fanboyism at its best. You can't really blame people for this - HuK is pretty awesome.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d0vYZ.gif)
