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Huko
Profile Joined April 2010
United States324 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4381
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it gave PainUser a unfair advantage against Liquid`Tyler.
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it didn't give Liquid'Jinro a bigger advantage against TT1.

I thought this was funny
Yngvi
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands70 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4382
Amazing....TeamLiquid taking 50% of the top 8. Really REALLY well done guys. Superb job. On a sidenote: thank you to the OP for updating this thread SO goshdarn fast.
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4383
On November 08 2010 06:38 Tennet wrote:
Grand Finals should just be a Bo7


+1

User was warned for this post
My life for Aiur!
NevilleS
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada266 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4384
Go Jinro! TvP the manly match up!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4385
On November 08 2010 06:36 Callanish wrote:
Where does the "(someone) FIGHTING!" thing come from anyways?


Korea in BW thats what players did before games start.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 07 2010 21:38 GMT
#4386
On November 08 2010 06:35 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:33 Chibalicious wrote:
lol its a disadvantage for Jinro that he beat TT1 already.

Had they not met before Jinro would have to win 2 times, worst case 3 if he lost first Bo3 1-2 while TT1 would have to win 4 no matter the outcome of first Bo3.

In the current situation Jinro have to win 2 while TT1 has to win 3 before Jinro wins 2. This cant be changed but without the extended series Jinro would in best case only have to win 2 to 4, instead of 2 to 3.



Yes. It doesn't make any sense and can't be like this... there must be something mixed up.

What's mixed up is the missing second Bo3 because in DE format you must lose 2 sets to get knocked out. However, they probably think being disadvantaged in one extended series and having to win another Bo3 after that would be too rough for the LB player.

Maybe it's time to realize their format sucks then, if they can't follow it correctly?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
November 07 2010 21:39 GMT
#4387
So basically, the extended series rule benefits the winner (a 2-1 turning into a bo7 instead of a new bo3) except in the finals (a 2-1 turning into a bo7 instead of 2 bo3).

I hope they revise these rules for the next tournament, the entire extended series rule just seems weird and overly complicated. They don't take games played in previous tournaments into account, why should they take games played in pevious rounds into account?
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
November 07 2010 21:39 GMT
#4388
On November 08 2010 06:38 Huko wrote:
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it gave PainUser a unfair advantage against Liquid`Tyler.
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it didn't give Liquid'Jinro a bigger advantage against TT1.

I thought this was funny

not understanding sure is funny
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4389
On November 08 2010 06:36 DoubleLariat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:33 Kazang wrote:
Are people stupid? How can you not understand how the system works.

You have to win more games than your opponent. The order of matches or when they take place does not matter.
More games! Understand how that works? 3 is greater than 2. 4 is greater than 3. Pretty damn simple.
The winner is the one who wins the most games against the other player.


Tis not the point - it's the fact that the person who gets the advantage in the LB gets an advantage over every other player in the LB that is facing someone that they didn't face in the WB.

More people are unfairly affected by the existence of the extended series rule than by it's elimination.

For the greater good (and all that jazz.)


Good point but he has a point too. Getting knocked out by someone who you won more games from can be considered unfair.
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4390
Could you stop derailing the thread with a topic of others threads? Go discuss it there.
There's no S in KT. :P
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4391
On November 08 2010 06:38 Huko wrote:
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it gave PainUser a unfair advantage against Liquid`Tyler.
Omggggg, this rule is so bad, it didn't give Liquid'Jinro a bigger advantage against TT1.

I thought this was funny


that's not the complaint dude...

/facepalm

the complaint isn't that it didn't give jinro a "bigger advantage"

it's that it gave him a SMALLER advantage than he would have if the rule simply didn't exist.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4392
On November 08 2010 06:38 ZerOfy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:38 Tennet wrote:
Grand Finals should just be a Bo7


+1

Seriously, just reset the rules once you get to the grand finals or something.
ston23
Profile Joined October 2010
United States4 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4393
On November 08 2010 06:36 humblegar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:23 humblegar wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:17 Count9 wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:09 unindel wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:01 Numy wrote:
On November 08 2010 06:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Even the wording of their poll is wrong. The extended series rule is 100% fair... whether or not they want to use it is a different story. But there's certainly nothing more fair/unfair about it than without the extended series rule.


How is it 100% fair? Please explain your reasoning. As I view it , it is very unfair for any player that does not face the same opponent in LB as in WB. I'm sure everyone would love to have extra chances.

If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? If not, why draw the line there and not simply for beating an earlier opponent? Why does that logic apply there but not later?


The difference there is that the player from the WB has never been eliminated from the tournament, whereas the LB has been eliminated once. In order to be taken out of a double elimination tournament, you should be eliminated twice.


Then why play double elimination? Why not make it single elimination to remove all problems that stem from these arguments? Their system punishes losers. Lost to somebody earlier? Punishment, better step your game up. Find yourself in the losers bracket? Punishment, better step your game up. MLG likes to favor winners.

Cause double elimination without extended series in LB makes perfect sense.

PainUser lost 2-1 to Jinro in WB, he "lost" 2-1 in LB to Tyler. He's still in the tournament. This is what you're calling 100% fair.


lol, how is this shit hard to understand? There is no fair answer to this question. It doesn't exist. The only difference is I'm smart enough to look to other problems that come from the alternative method of double elimination. I honestly don't favor one way or the other. They both make sense and they both have strengths/weaknesses.



You are looking for an answer to a question that nobody cares about.

They both had one loss and should be out after the second loss. It is not fair to the other players that painuser is still in the tournament after two eliminations, just because he happened to meet Tyler again. How hard is this concept to grasp?


I understand your complaint. Let's say Tyler had won their second meeting 2-1 and eliminated Painuser. Their final record for the tournament is Painuser beating Tyler 3 games and losing 2. It's fair that with a winning record he is eliminated? Neither is perfect. Deal with it.

I'm done posting on this subject since I've wasted way too many lines of text trying to explain the obvious answer of "you can't please everybody", but apparently people think you can.

ps: Go TT1


Every rule, stupid or not, can be explained with "you can't please everybody"

But let us enjoy the finals.


It just seems like they should be on equal footing, I mean when Tyler lost that first series that's what sent him to the LB, Painuser also lost a series which sent him to the LB why should series be accounted for and the other not?
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4394
No one likes a final match with only 2 games. But those are the rules, and let's just please shut the hell up about it. Write a letter to MLG, or make a thread about it, so they can fine tune their format for the next season. This has been going on for like 60 pages now.
whatsgrackalackin420
Windrose
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada64 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4395
Where do we get MLG replays? I missed what day9 said.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 21:40:54
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4396
On November 08 2010 06:37 TedJustice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 06:33 Chibalicious wrote:
lol its a disadvantage for Jinro that he beat TT1 already.

Had they not met before Jinro would have to win 2 times, worst case 3 if he lost first Bo3 1-2 while TT1 would have to win 4 no matter the outcome of first Bo3.

In the current situation Jinro have to win 2 while TT1 has to win 3 before Jinro wins 2. This cant be changed but without the extended series Jinro would in best case only have to win 2 to 4, instead of 2 to 3.



It's more like Jinro has a smaller advantage because TT1 managed to take a game off of him in the tournament already.


Aight wrong word used here I guess. He has a smaller advantage from WINNING 2-1 earlier then if he had not met him at all.

Doesnt make it less ridiculous though
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
Kemy
Profile Joined November 2010
105 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4397
Can sby confirm how that extended series stuff works for the finals?

Usually its two best of 3's (if the player coming from LB wins the first one)

Now its

one extended Best of 7 with scores taken over from the game already played and a best of 3 (if the player coming from the LB wins first one)

or

an extended Best of 7 with scores taken over from the game already played?

ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4398
Jinro getting his stimpack ready.
My life for Aiur!
unindel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States206 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4399
On November 08 2010 06:33 Chibalicious wrote:
lol its a disadvantage for Jinro that he beat TT1 already.

Had they not met before Jinro would have to win 2 times, worst case 3 if he lost first Bo3 1-2 while TT1 would have to win 4 no matter the outcome of first Bo3.

In the current situation Jinro have to win 2 while TT1 has to win 3 before Jinro wins 2. This cant be changed but without the extended series Jinro would in best case only have to win 2 to 4, instead of 2 to 3.




It isn't necessarily a disadvantage.

Let's say he wins the first game now, then loses the next two. In a non-extended format he would lose that first bo3 and they would move to the 2nd where he would have to win 2 more. In this format, he can still go ahead and win just one more game and win the whole thing.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 07 2010 21:40 GMT
#4400
On November 08 2010 06:40 Baarn wrote:
Could you stop derailing the thread with a topic of others threads? Go discuss it there.



umm, it's not like there is something else important to be discussing right now

when the games start im sure we will be talking about that
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