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On November 08 2010 06:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:23 humblegar wrote:On November 08 2010 06:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On November 08 2010 06:17 Count9 wrote:On November 08 2010 06:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On November 08 2010 06:09 unindel wrote:On November 08 2010 06:07 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On November 08 2010 06:01 Numy wrote:On November 08 2010 06:00 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Even the wording of their poll is wrong. The extended series rule is 100% fair... whether or not they want to use it is a different story. But there's certainly nothing more fair/unfair about it than without the extended series rule. How is it 100% fair? Please explain your reasoning. As I view it , it is very unfair for any player that does not face the same opponent in LB as in WB. I'm sure everyone would love to have extra chances. If we ignore all past results then that would mean for the sake of consistency you'd have to remove the winner bracket's champion having an advantage over the loser's bracket, no? If not, why draw the line there and not simply for beating an earlier opponent? Why does that logic apply there but not later? The difference there is that the player from the WB has never been eliminated from the tournament, whereas the LB has been eliminated once. In order to be taken out of a double elimination tournament, you should be eliminated twice. Then why play double elimination? Why not make it single elimination to remove all problems that stem from these arguments? Their system punishes losers. Lost to somebody earlier? Punishment, better step your game up. Find yourself in the losers bracket? Punishment, better step your game up. MLG likes to favor winners. Cause double elimination without extended series in LB makes perfect sense. PainUser lost 2-1 to Jinro in WB, he "lost" 2-1 in LB to Tyler. He's still in the tournament. This is what you're calling 100% fair. lol, how is this shit hard to understand? There is no fair answer to this question. It doesn't exist. The only difference is I'm smart enough to look to other problems that come from the alternative method of double elimination. I honestly don't favor one way or the other. They both make sense and they both have strengths/weaknesses. You are looking for an answer to a question that nobody cares about. They both had one loss and should be out after the second loss. It is not fair to the other players that painuser is still in the tournament after two eliminations, just because he happened to meet Tyler again. How hard is this concept to grasp? I understand your complaint. Let's say Tyler had won their second meeting 2-1 and eliminated Painuser. Their final record for the tournament is Painuser beating Tyler 3 games and losing 2. It's fair that with a winning record he is eliminated? Neither is perfect. Deal with it. I'm done posting on this subject since I've wasted way too many lines of text trying to explain the obvious answer of "you can't please everybody", but apparently people think you can. ps: Go TT1
Every rule, stupid or not, can be explained with "you can't please everybody" 
But let us enjoy the finals.
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On November 08 2010 06:33 Kazang wrote:
Are people stupid? How can you not understand how the system works.
You have to win more games than your opponent. The order of matches or when they take place does not matter.
More games! Understand how that works? 3 is greater than 2. 4 is greater than 3. Pretty damn simple.
The winner is the one who wins the most games against the other player.
Tis not the point - it's the fact that the person who gets the advantage in the LB gets an advantage over every other player in the LB that is facing someone that they didn't face in the WB.
More people are unfairly affected by the existence of the extended series rule than by it's elimination.
For the greater good (and all that jazz.)
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On November 08 2010 06:35 Tennet wrote:
When is the crowd going to start doing "3-2-1 (player name) FIGHTING!" I love hearing that watching GSL. D=
More like "Ra-dul-Sen...#$%^ HWAIITIING!"
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On November 08 2010 06:33 Kazang wrote:
Are people stupid? How can you not understand how the system works.
You have to win more games than your opponent. The order of matches or when they take place does not matter.
More games! Understand how that works? 3 is greater than 2. 4 is greater than 3. Pretty damn simple.
The winner is the one who wins the most games against the other player.
Non-extended series:
Two BO3's. TT1 wins, Jinro wins, TT1 wins. TT1 takes first BO3 2-1.
Second BO3: TT1 wins, Jinro wins, TT1 wins. TT1 takes second BO3 2-1, and wins the tournament.
Extended series:
TT1 wins, Jinro wins, TT1 wins. TT1 wins, Jinro wins. Jinro 4-2 in the extended series, and wins the tournament.
Same order of win/loss, different result.
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On November 08 2010 06:36 Callanish wrote:
Where does the "(someone) FIGHTING!" thing come from anyways?
Korea, and its really pronounced as "hwaiting"
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On November 08 2010 06:31 2FresH wrote:
where in Canada is tt1 from?
If I had to guess with all those Habs jerseys he's wearing...... Montreal.
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Jinro go get him!
Awesome tournament so far viewerwise, really great coverage, i'm impressed.
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On November 08 2010 06:33 Chibalicious wrote:
lol its a disadvantage for Jinro that he beat TT1 already.
Had they not met before Jinro would have to win 2 times, worst case 3 if he lost first Bo3 1-2 while TT1 would have to win 4 no matter the outcome of first Bo3.
In the current situation Jinro have to win 2 while TT1 has to win 3 before Jinro wins 2. This cant be changed but without the extended series Jinro would in best case only have to win 2 to 4, instead of 2 to 3.
It's more like Jinro has a smaller advantage because TT1 managed to take a game off of him in the tournament already.
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Delta Quadrant? Are youuuu sure Day9? Dont need anymore regames!
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Let's stop complaining about Tyler's misfortune and cheer for TT1 and his awesome gateway contain into macro advantage play. I love the late colossus with tons of gateway units to just straight up overrun the Terran.
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Anyone manage to screen cap that Idra Lost sign? I was a millisecond too late
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On November 08 2010 06:36 Callanish wrote:
Where does the "(someone) FIGHTING!" thing come from anyways?
Korea.
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On November 08 2010 06:35 travis wrote:
illustrious has gotta be day9's favorite word
As well as units 'swinging around'! Apart from that, top work.
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Canada13410 Posts
hmm is it really only BO3 for grand finals? I prefer BO5 or 7 more fun for us to watch better representative of skill lessons
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Grand Finals should just be a Bo7
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i love how many people still incessantly defend the extended series bullcrap lol
i doubt there is ANY top player who would say that it's a fair rule
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On November 08 2010 06:35 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:33 Kazang wrote:
Are people stupid? How can you not understand how the system works.
You have to win more games than your opponent. The order of matches or when they take place does not matter.
More games! Understand how that works? 3 is greater than 2. 4 is greater than 3. Pretty damn simple.
The winner is the one who wins the most games against the other player. How don't you understand double elim system? You need to lose 2 bo3 to drop out of tournament. PainUser lost 2 games to SelecT, 2 games to Tyler, and 2 games to TT1. He lost 2 bo3 and wasn't out of the tourny. Ridiculous.
Do you understand english? Games, single matches. The "series" does not matter. It is who wins the most single games against the other player.
PU won 4 games against Tyler, Tyler won 2 games, 4 is often times more than 2.
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EPT
