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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
Secondly, there was a game (again I think it was the TLO one) where the colors were reversed (lower seeded player was blue), and one where a player was purple instead of blue. Why were these games not restarted? Also, lets not forget "that's halo" from last MLG. If you're going to enforce the rules, be consistent. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:25 liaf wrote: Rules should be followed no matter what? That means that if someone types "pp" "ㅎㅎ" or "a" they should be disqualified? No Pausing a Game without Referee’s permission. If an issue arises that requires a Pause, Players should contact their Referee immediately. Referees may approve or deny a Player’s request to Pause the Game. Pausing a Game without Referee’s permission will result in a Warning. If a Player receives a 2nd Warning they will Forfeit their current Game (See Gameplay Rule #17). Players may not look at an opposing Player’s Monitor or projected screen. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game. Players must disable Toast Notifications in the Battle.net options. Players must set their status to Busy. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game. This means Huk should have forfeit some games, and TLO should at least have a warning after todays pause beacuse of wrong choice of race. | ||
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liaf
Norway318 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:29 hefty wrote: No, because there are no rules against typing in game at MLG if I am correct. You're thinking of kespa.. I am comparing this situation to Kespa because everyone got mad at them for "following the rules" | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
Anyway, if rules says so it is the best choice to follow them even if it seems unfair. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:29 hefty wrote: No, because there are no rules against typing in game at MLG if I am correct. You're thinking of kespa.. You are incorrect. MLG Rules: No Pausing a Game without Referee’s permission. If an issue arises that requires a Pause, Players should contact their Referee immediately. Referees may approve or deny a Player’s request to Pause the Game. Pausing a Game without Referee’s permission will result in a Warning. If a Player receives a 2nd Warning they will Forfeit their current Game (See Gameplay Rule #17). Players may not look at an opposing Player’s Monitor or projected screen. Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game. Players must disable Toast Notifications in the Battle.net options. Players must set their status to Busy. Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
As long as the mindset that 'mistakes need to be corrected in the future' is present, there shouldnt be very much rabble about this, imo. | ||
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
But frankly people just complain too much, can't really blame you guys | ||
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Swixi
United States73 Posts
On November 07 2010 10:47 MLG_Lee wrote: Several questions like this and that's the "nice" thing to do, but it's not the RIGHT thing to do. If we do this EVERYTIME there's an issue, we mind as well just make rules up on the fly. The time to _SET_ rules is BEFORE the tournament. The SITUATION is what sucks here, not the rules. On November 07 2010 10:36 MLG_Lee wrote: That said, the reason that it was a full reset was because that's what in the rules. A league is based on its credibility and its credibility comes from how closely it adheres to its rules. This rule left no room for discretion. We don't make up rules on the fly at the tournament. I agree that you had a hard decision to make, but I feel the one you made was clearly the wrong decision. Your goal is to make a great and solid tournament environment, but this decision actually worked in the opposite direction. It's not just the nice thing to do, it IS the right thing to do. One player was nearly about to win on a map in which NEITHER player seemed to care or even notice was the wrong map. If the audience and players have no problem continuing to play on the map, who else do you have to please? Besides, you should bend rules in very special cases where mistakes arise, not in EVERY case as you imply would be the consequence. You've let it slip before. Some examples: Gameplay Rule 20: "The higher seeded Player must play as the Red team and the lower seeded Player must play as the Blue team." -QXC played as purple in a game vs. a zerg opponent, and nothing was done. Gameplay Rule 3: "Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game." -Players have chatted numerous times throughout the tournament with no punishment. I'm not trying to be rude or annoying here, but pedantic, since that's what you are pushing so hard. I still think the tournament is doing great. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
To be honest, with that much money on the line if they said, "hey FLuE, we picked the wrong map is it ok to just continue?" and lets say I'm losing. Well, if I say "No I want the right map," I look like a jerk and everyone is just like, "he was fine with the map and just did that so he didn't lose." If I just suck it up and say fine continue the game, but know I'm about to lose it is a poor decision on my part because I'm there to win. So in the end, I think the decision made by them to follow the rules and not "bend" the rules saves both players. This is a completely different story if say the game is 3 minutes in and nobody has an advantage but at that point the admins need to make a call, and if they feel rules are written a certain way to make that call it shouldn't be put on a player to make a choice between trying to do the best for him to win personally, and his own popularity/reputation. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:25 puppy pizza wrote: The GSL, an event arguably far more professional and far more watched than the MLG, is willing to bend the rules. Although the GSL rules state that if a player is over 15 minutes late he will be automatically disqualified, the GSL officials displayed common sense in extending it by ten minutes to accomodate KyrixZenith and allowed him to play when it was clear he was not going to be in serious violation and when the penalty was clearly going to be quite high otherwise. The MLG's unwillingness to make common sense accomodations despite errors on their part demonstrates the clear difference between being accepted as a legitimate e-sport and not. If your organization is going to make mistakes, it is unacceptable to disproportionately punish a player because of said mistake, just as it would have been unacceptable for the GSL to disqualify KyrixZenith. you have a point about bending the rules, but you need to consider the situation of these two cases. If GSL DQ'ed Kyrix, there would only be one match that day and a big waste of the audience/sponsor's time. In the MLG's case, no such risks are apparent other than the community backlash as seen here. | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
It seemed to me that it effected Tyler more so than Painuser. I do agree though that asking players can put necessary pressure onto the player, would Painuser have conceded I would like to think so but that isnt always the case with all players. Also I believe that no rule should be that rigid that it cant be changed mid tournament or after one of the stages of that tournament. Even soccer leagues change their rules mid season sometimes and they have a lot more invested in it than people signing up to a lan. You are judged as much by the quality of the rules as much as you are by how well you stick to them. | ||
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BlitZl0l
United States32 Posts
Bet MLG wouldn't even attempt to go there, have a damn riot in that place. What ever happened to the customer is always right, no way you thought the fans would just be okay with this decision, that's why you came and made this post. If you aren't pleasing the people who pay for this shit, who are you holding this tournament for? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
There's minor infractions and then there's ones that actually affect gameplay. Having the wrong starting map obviously falls in the latter, while chitchat and switched colors are the former. | ||
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numberThirtyOne
United States294 Posts
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liaf
Norway318 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:36 JBright wrote: you have a point about bending the rules, but you need to consider the situation of these two cases. If GSL DQ'ed Kyrix, there would only be one match that day and a big waste of the audience/sponsor's time. In the MLG's case, no such risks are apparent other than the community backlash as seen here. So tourney decisions shouldn't be made according to fairness, but according to profit? | ||
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
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449
United States53 Posts
Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game. Is this considered Huk surrendering the game? : | ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YgWJS.jpg) As previously stated, many players have been breaking these "critical rules" and nothing was done. I understand mistakes happen, but the Tyler vs PainUser game 1 call was a massive double standard. edit: I'll admit I'm upset with the call, but nevertheless, MLG Dallas has been an amazing tournament so far. | ||
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vesicular
United States1311 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:37 liaf wrote: So tourney decisions shouldn't be made according to fairness, but according to profit? We all soon forget this is all a business. This isn't just some game you're playing in your parents basement anymore. People can rage all they want but sponsor's pay the bills, not you. | ||
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PROJECTILE
United States226 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:37 liaf wrote: So tourney decisions shouldn't be made according to fairness, but according to profit? uhh...yes? If you're a profit making organization running a tournament, who cares how fair it is? Most sporting events aren't fair. Trying to crown the "best team" in almost any professional sport with a championship is statistically laughable. A series of bo3s hardly proves who the best player in the tourney is. It's an entertainment spectacle, it makes sense for an organization to run it to maximize short term and long term profit | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Just wanted to say that he had a great behaviour, no whine and super classy. I understand the issue about the rules though. To be honest the MLG is my favourite tournament. Great production, good casters, lot of known foreigners, lot of games casted ( Boooooooooooo Blizzcon -.- ), replays are released, quick update of the brackets etc ... So i have to say great joob guys  edit: and please let the players chat, it makes things way more enjoyable :p | ||
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