EPT[MLG] LiquidTyler vs Pain.User restart issue - Page 4
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On November 07 2010 10:36 MLG_Lee wrote: The blunt truth of the matter is that we're running a very large live event and we're all working 20 hours a day while we're here. If you had left this sentence out, the apology would have carried more weight. When you make a mistake, suck it up, say it won't happen again, and move on. Talking about how overworked you are does nothing. Hint for the kids 20 and under in this thread, this goes for the real world as well. | ||
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geno
United States1404 Posts
In any case, it really is too bad. I do have to give MLG the benefit of the doubt here. I would hate to see the organization make the same shift that KeSPA did, favoring their own legitimacy and credibility over the experience of both their players and fans. Thankfully, I don't think MLG is walking that road quite yet, and its good to see such quick and responsive feedback right after the incident happened, taking suggestions and criticisms alike. Looking forward to day3! | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:19 Stenstyren wrote: In the future, make a rule so that a player has 30 seconds after the game has started to pause the game because of some mistake made, be it having picked the wrong race or noticing that the they are playing on the wrong map. After these 30 seconds they have forfeited their right to complain. With a timer of 30 seconds everyone will be able to split drones etc. and actually think a bit but not long enough for anything important to have happened (as someone mentioned, setting the mark to 3 minutes means that 6pools and such could already be in effect). the players didn't complain about anything, how is this relevant to the issue that happened? one of the refs caught the mistake, not the players | ||
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puppy pizza
United States18 Posts
The MLG's unwillingness to make common sense accomodations despite errors on their part demonstrates the clear difference between being accepted as a legitimate e-sport and not. If your organization is going to make mistakes, it is unacceptable to disproportionately punish a player because of said mistake, just as it would have been unacceptable for the GSL to disqualify KyrixZenith. | ||
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metaphoR
United States199 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
TT Oh well, PainUser showing that lategame TvP is playable with an unique army composition. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:22 DiamondTear wrote: How about describing the situation in the opening post so I don't have to go look for it elsewhere? basically tyler had a pretty substantial lead 13 minutes into the game then a ref realized they were playing on the wrong map the game was paused and then restarted on the correct map | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
However, like others here, I am also of the opinion that a tourney will gain more credibility from fair rulings than strictly adhering to a set of rules. I think this is where we disagree: On November 07 2010 11:06 MLG_Lee wrote: We have, in the past, where a rule wasn't in place consulted the players on what they would prefer. It's rare, but it happens. But the final decision is the Tournament Admin's. And he is required to follow the rules where they exist. A referee shouldn't be tied by the rules, in my opinion. If players and referee agree to something, there should be nothing stopping them from making a ruling on the go. This is an important principle every place rules are enforced - a police officer must also chose how to apply the law to the given situation. Rules alone doesn't allow any flexibility, and this can't be good as unforeseen events will occur. And for the record - I believe Tyler and PainUser would have agreed to play it out. | ||
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liaf
Norway318 Posts
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raidmaster
474 Posts
Other than that: mistakes happen. I still think that this tournament is pure awesomness.GJ MLG team. | ||
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Chaoz
United States507 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:06 MLG_Lee wrote: RE: Map pools, same deal as the rules. We published a map list when we announced the Dallas finals. Everyone bought passes based on that. If we changed the map list right before the event, that's kind of uncool to people who bought the passes. In order to do that, we would have to get EVERYONE who bought a pass to agree to it. And, no offense to the players, but I didn't get the required gear and driver emails from more than 10 players. So, we didn't adjust them for Dallas. That said, we will absolutely adjust the maps before the next event. I hardly think anyone bought their passes based on the first match map pool. I totally disagree with MLG's decision. Rules are supposed to be set as a guideline and sometimes you have to deviate. | ||
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Ash
Malaysia1978 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:13 Kraz.Del wrote: If tyler won that game, and neither player tilted, painuser might have repeated the last two games and went 2-1. That's a wrong assumption to make. No one has any ideas how much the decision has affected Nony except he himself. That being said, it could affect Painuser as much which is none other than a boost of momentum. Imagine the difference having to start a "second game" with the mindset of "Damn I lost first game, I'll have to win this one or I'm fucked" and "Pheew, I lost the first game and I will get to replay the series, I'll have to be extra careful with Nony's play now" | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
Poll: More hated decision MLG 13-minute Mapfail (60) Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage (23) I love both calls (22) 105 total votes Your vote: More hated decision (Vote): Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage | ||
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Syben
United States512 Posts
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:25 liaf wrote: Rules should be followed no matter what? That means that if someone types "pp" "ㅎㅎ" or "a" they should be disqualified? No, because there are no rules against typing in game at MLG if I am correct. You're thinking of kespa.. | ||
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Graham
Canada1259 Posts
HOWEVER, this is pretty much the only "big" issue I can recall thus far in regards to the SC2 portion of any MLG event, and that overall is pretty good. Issues happen, and I'd take this 13-minute map mistake mid-way through the tournament over a power outage or the likes in the MSL finals..  | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:27 Zealotdriver wrote: Poll: More hated decision MLG 13-minute Mapfail (60) Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage (23) I love both calls (22) 105 total votes Your vote: More hated decision (Vote): Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage sorry, but Jaedong Flash situation was FAR more awful than this | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:29 hefty wrote: No, because there are no rules against typing in game at MLG if I am correct. You're thinking of kespa.. there are rules against typing he was referring to the fact that MLG wants to stick to the rules but aren't actually following all of them personally, i think it's great that they allow people to type and what not KeSPA is waaaaay to strict with their rules it's just contradicting to say they need to stick to the rules when they don't actually do it | ||
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liaf
Norway318 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:27 Zealotdriver wrote: Poll: More hated decision MLG 13-minute Mapfail (60) Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage (23) I love both calls (22) 105 total votes Your vote: More hated decision (Vote): Kespa Flash-Jaedong Power Outage The Power outage call was made due to the circumstances. It was a a bad situation and the refs had to make a decision. This time they brought it upon themselves. | ||
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