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7pool
Sweden103 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:24 Trebis wrote: I just want to give props to MLG for handling this so professionally and transparently. I actually think MORE highly of MLG after this. ^ Serious? How can they "number" the rounds wrong in the bracket without noticing it? It's rather sad. | ||
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ggkorea
United States8 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:54 EmilA wrote: Oh shut up man, people can make mistakes whether they're tired or not. Who are you to tell them to hire additional workers ._. You're probably not even paying to watch their games. abusing the workers to work over 20hrs, which obviously leads to a "man-made" mistake, and then now declaring that is it normal in TL forum is obviously an abnormal case the OP is as misleading as you in making these claims, so i am just a little one trying to clear your messed up mind off | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
However, the mistake was compounded by them stopping the game. The players themselves must carry some responsibility for what map to play on. Since both Tyler and PU played the map without question they should have just carried on with the game. | ||
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ggkorea
United States8 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:12 VoriuM wrote: I think it's great of them that they IMMEDIATELY acknowledge that they made a mistake and follow the rules. Sure it sucks for the players, but it was the right thing to do. I find it really cool of them that they don't make up lame excuses and immediately say they were at fault. Props to MLG for running this great event! (on a sidenote, I don't feel like painuser stole this series because of this. He played a fantastic game 1 reloaded and game 2.) oh they just did, you missed them? that's so unfortunate | ||
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fxSolo
United States42 Posts
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:50 ggkorea wrote: instead of trying to save every pennies, you better employ more workers working over 20 hrs is not an excuse, it simply shows that you are a really greedy employer You're talking out of your ass. You have no idea how much profit MLG is making from these tournaments. Also, given the dedication of the gaming community, there is a good chance those employees are more than happy to work the 20hr shifts. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:29 ggkorea wrote: abusing the workers to work over 20hrs, which obviously leads to a "man-made" mistake, and then now declaring that is it normal in TL forum is obviously an abnormal case the OP is as misleading as you in making these claims, so i am just a little one trying to clear your messed up mind off You obviously know nothing about how large event production works. Rock shows, sporting events, broadway shows, any kind of filming, even conferences and conventions of all sorts all operate with fairly small staffs working long hours. For a lot of production tasks you need a few people with specialized skills to be in complete control. In most cases adding people doesn't result in a better outcome, it just creates confusion and lowers the end quality. Production people are used to (and compensated for) alternating between long periods of down time and intense stretches of work. Though there is clearly room for improvement in how MLG handled brackets/maps this time saying they are abusing their workers is an absurdly ignorant statement. | ||
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mgj
191 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Seeing him losing the next 2 games didn't help one bit. The fanboy in me cant help but blame this error for his loss. That being said, MLG has been absolutely amazing. The stream has top notch casters, everything seems so well organized, and the stream is _SMOOTH_. I even dare say that MLG is handling tournaments better than GSL, which is supposed to be the top of the crop in regards to SC2 tournaments. And MLG even have multiple tournaments running simultanously. This thread, showing willingness to admit mistakes and being transparant helps this impression of MLG even further. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:24 Trebis wrote: I just want to give props to MLG for handling this so professionally and transparently. I actually think MORE highly of MLG after this. I've gotta disagree. I feel like they have made themselves look worse to be quite frank. After sifting through this thread i'm actually quite shocked from all the mistakes. How many people were potentially screwed? How many people traveled from around the country for this event? Essentially MLG put Tyler on tilt for the rest of his match. As for handling this professionally..... What exactly are they going to do about these matches? Are they gonna sweep it under the rug and pretend nothing happened? As for having people work 20 hours a day.....Thats a big no no. Apparently MLG likes to cut a lot of corners and break labor laws as well. As for other rules not being enforced.... I can understand that they don't wanna "ruin" a bracket for DQing players for chatting in game but it really seems like MLG makes these rules up and then chooses which ones to follow. Credibility and integrity is important in any organization and it seems that MLG is losing it. A message to the OP/MLG about the original post. No one cares that you guys are "slaving" 20 hours a day. The People attending this event(players/watchers/whatevers) are essentially "consumers" handing over money with an expectation in return. Expectations aren't being properly met. What now? | ||
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:29 Klive5ive wrote: The content on the MLG stream has been so amazing that I don't really care about a small hiccup like this. | ||
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delo
United States333 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:29 ggkorea wrote: abusing the workers to work over 20hrs, which obviously leads to a "man-made" mistake, and then now declaring that is it normal in TL forum is obviously an abnormal case the OP is as misleading as you in making these claims, so i am just a little one trying to clear your messed up mind off This post proves that you've never run a tournament/concert/event of any kind before. It's easy to log that amount of time per day when you're running around trying to make sure everything is running as smoothly as possible. And sometimes, even with the best preparation and uber-talented people, things will go wrong. Hire more people? Greedy? Anyone here with actual, real-world event planning experience knows the kind of margins these guys are likely working with. MLG, while growing, is still a relatively small company trying to do a ton with not nearly as much as you think and most of the work that goes into this event (or others like it) will go unsung, like every other event out there. And while I think this map thing was crappy, I can see how it could have happened and am glad Lee came out and manned up for it. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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kidcrash89
198 Posts
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zemiron
United States481 Posts
But I can even understand making a bad decision as long as you have a good reason. The problem is that by their reasoning of the situation, they have made themselves hypocrites. If you say that if the rules are there, you must follow them until they are changed, then you have just bound yourself to do that in all situations. The fact that they haven't followed the rules by the letter makes them look even worse than they did before. I probably wouldn't have been as irritated if they would have just come out and said that they made a mistake and did what they thought was best and left it at that. But they brought out an excuse that makes them look even less credible than they did before. And that is kind of funny considering they said that they did what they did because they wanted to look like a credible league. You can't have it both ways. | ||
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BlitZl0l
United States32 Posts
Chill. PainUser's been practicing with HD Starcraft okay. He deserved the win over one of the most talented players in North America. God. | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 08 2010 00:36 BlitZl0l wrote: Guys. Chill. PainUser's been practicing with HD Starcraft okay. He deserved the win over one of the most talented players in North America. God. You realize that Agh_Antec is on Lazerus too, right, and that Agh beat Tyler at Raleigh 2-1? Edit: I'm probably just being trolled right now. I hope you get banned. I'm a huge Tyler fan too, but berating his opponent only serves to berate Tyler too. | ||
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REM.ca
Canada354 Posts
On November 08 2010 00:30 zemiron wrote: If they would have just did nothing, there wouldn't be this shitstorm and nobody would have thought any less of MLG. Unless there would of been and everybody still would of. If we're going to live in the realm of possibilities, than we might as well fathom the possibility that if the game went on, someone might of still noticed post-hoc that many games were played on the wrong map and that some results might of ended differently because of it and then people would still be bitching and pointing fingers because that's what people like to do. What happened, happened and it seems almost certain that MLG will have learned from it so lets move on. | ||
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Forak
Netherlands64 Posts
Of course the rules themselves were all messed up due to it being formatted for a 256 player tournament... | ||
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