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On November 08 2010 00:38 REM.ca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 00:30 zemiron wrote:
If they would have just did nothing, there wouldn't be this shitstorm and nobody would have thought any less of MLG. If we're going to live in the realm of possibilities, than we might as well fathom the possibility that if the game went on, someone might of still noticed post-hoc that many games were played on the wrong map and that some results might of ended differently because of it and then people would still be bitching and pointing fingers because that's what people like to do
I'm sure I would have noticed, just because I separate these replays into folders and divide them by map (that's how I noticed the the other four messups).
I doubt I would have made a big deal about it though.
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I find it hilarious that the majority of the people in this thread have never organized/run any type of event in their lives yet feel they have a clue as to what MLG staff is doing. You can't put in 9-5 hours during events, its hard work all day so that WE the spectators and the PLAYERS have a fun, enjoyable tournament. In events stuff goes wrong constantly. People make mistakes, people screw up, get over it.
Been a fantastic tournament so far, few hiccups. They tried to be open and share some of their decision making process and you vultures jumped all over them. It happened, it's over, move on.
Looking forward to an awesome Championship Sunday!
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I think this was absolutely the right thing to do. You can't just change rules when you feel like it in large tournaments. There is enough chaos going on at all times without adding another element to it.
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On November 07 2010 22:21 Moragon wrote:
Luckily it didn't affect the outcome as painuser would have won 2-1 even if the fake game counted but it was still rough, I would have asked the players if they could play it out.
Are you for real? You seriously think destroying someone with gateway units only in PvT and clearly winning(pain user even said he was low on scvs and nony had two exp with fair amount of probes) doesnt effect future games when the game is replayed?
Have you ever played an RTS game in your life? You ever heard of being aggravated by having a game stolen from you when the tournmanet is for MONEY. You ever heard of having to change your strats and play different because now you dont have a comfortable one game lead AND he knows one of your strats for free?
Please moragon use some of your brain. I am not trying to be rude but your comment is over the top lame and quite frankly disrespectful to Tyler.
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On November 08 2010 00:08 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 23:24 Trebis wrote:
I just want to give props to MLG for handling this so professionally and transparently. I actually think MORE highly of MLG after this. As for handling this professionally..... What exactly are they going to do about these matches? Are they gonna sweep it under the rug and pretend nothing happened? As for having people work 20 hours a day.....Thats a big no no. Apparently MLG likes to cut a lot of corners and break labor laws as well. As for other rules not being enforced.... I can understand that they don't wanna "ruin" a bracket for DQing players for chatting in game but it really seems like MLG makes these rules up and then chooses which ones to follow. Credibility and integrity is important in any organization and it seems that MLG is losing it. A message to the OP/MLG about the original post. No one cares that you guys are "slaving" 20 hours a day. The People attending this event(players/watchers/whatevers) are essentially "consumers" handing over money with an expectation in return. Expectations aren't being properly met. What now?
How are 20 hour shifts a big no no? There's a reason why paramedics usually work 24 hour shifts. Some places opt for 48 hour shifts. If there's any profession in which you want to avoid mistakes, this is it. It's simply more efficient than constantly rotating employees, and indeed is breaking no labor laws.
As for sweeping the issue under the rug, they did the exact opposite; they immediately came here and made the issue more public by opening a discussion of it on TL.
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Appreciate all the support and feedback. Thanks everyone and hope you are enjoying the tournament. Will be some great matches today.
re: Chat rule. Apologies for the lack of clarity there. We are evaluating that rule right now. The spirit of the rule (as someone else pointed out in the thread) is to not disrupt the gameplay or the streams (when applicable). While we are evaluating the rule, the refs and admins have been instructed to not enforce that rule unless it's the spirit of the rule has been violated.
re: brackets display: after speaking with the dev team this morning, there was an issue with the tournament admin tool and we had to use a 256team bracket and give everyone a bye in the first round. There was no impact on the bracket display otherwise, but it's obviously confusing. This will be resolved before next season starts.
re: map errors and the map reset rule in general: Someone has pointed out the Halo3 situation in last year's finals so this rule is applied globally. Before we go off on another "THIS ISNT HALO" discussion, my _ONLY_ point here that this is a situation we've dealt with before here, and there's set rules and policies in place for it at MLG that dates back years. To clarify the rule, the current policy is that once the round advances, we don't reset that map and replay. Players also have the right to challenge/protest before the next match starts if they notice it.
Last note, as I said in a previous post on TL, we'll be revisiting ALL of the rules in the off season. As well as some of our processes to make sure that we have better checks on catching errors like this one.
To folks who are torching me for the 20 hour comment. You're right, I probably could have gone without including that. It certainly wasn't an excuse. It was an explanation of why we were more likely to make an error. Which is exactly what we did.
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On November 08 2010 00:49 Musketeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 00:08 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 07 2010 23:24 Trebis wrote:
I just want to give props to MLG for handling this so professionally and transparently. I actually think MORE highly of MLG after this. As for handling this professionally..... What exactly are they going to do about these matches? Are they gonna sweep it under the rug and pretend nothing happened? As for having people work 20 hours a day.....Thats a big no no. Apparently MLG likes to cut a lot of corners and break labor laws as well. As for other rules not being enforced.... I can understand that they don't wanna "ruin" a bracket for DQing players for chatting in game but it really seems like MLG makes these rules up and then chooses which ones to follow. Credibility and integrity is important in any organization and it seems that MLG is losing it. A message to the OP/MLG about the original post. No one cares that you guys are "slaving" 20 hours a day. The People attending this event(players/watchers/whatevers) are essentially "consumers" handing over money with an expectation in return. Expectations aren't being properly met. What now? How are 20 hour shifts a big no no? There's a reason why paramedics usually work 24 hour shifts. Some places opt for 48 hour shifts. If there's any profession in which you want to avoid mistakes, this is it. It's simply more efficient than constantly rotating employees, and indeed is breaking no labor laws. As for sweeping the issue under the rug, they did the exact opposite; they immediately came here and made the issue more public by opening a discussion of it on TL.
They admitted there are mistakes......but are they fixing it? Outcomes for how ever many misplayed series could have been different. Why aren't the refs checking at the start of every match?
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It is what it is. Thanks for posting this here Lee - i'm going to lock it now since everyone and his clinical psychologist mother has given their feedback 
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