Excellent! Shows that MLG is here for the long term. Not just to satisfy floozy forumers in an LR thread. Am sure the better player will still win.
However please change stupid rules in the future.

IcyPringle

Canada210 Posts

November 07 2010 01:52 GMT

#22

Mistakes happen, as long as something as simple and stupid like that doesn't happen again its all good. Everyone needs to stop ragging about the past and just move on.

At least MLG knows it messed up and apologized not like some other organizations that screw up and then try to cover it up or justify it...

LittLeD

Sweden7973 Posts

November 07 2010 01:54 GMT

#23

Great clearify statement. A million thanks for an awesome tournament. Minor mistakes happen but this tournament has been the best as of yet IMO, Sc2-wise. Great work!

kojinshugi

Estonia2559 Posts

November 07 2010 01:55 GMT

#24

That mistakes happen is perfectly understandable.

What I don't understand is how your credibility stays more intact by stopping a game 15 minutes in when one player is almost winning, and has revealed his strategy and tactics, than it is to deal with whether the game counted or not.

It's of course a lose/lose situation either way, but perhaps a better course of action would have been letting the game get played out and then make it a Bo5, or let the players agree or disagree with counting the LT game or not.

-Strider-

Mexico1605 Posts

November 07 2010 01:56 GMT

#25

I understand that accidents happen. You are doing a great job running this tourney !

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

November 07 2010 01:56 GMT

#26

The only problem with this is that you are punishing players for your mistake. This is the real issue here. The rule is understandable but the way you went about it is ludicrous. If the players had made the mistake then sure it's their fault. This however was MLGs fault and really the situation was resolved poorly.

Admitting mistake is a positive step but it does nothing to solve the issue. Ideally both players should be compensated regardless of the outcome of the match.

EDIT:

On November 07 2010 10:36 MLG_Lee wrote:
That said, the reason that it was a full reset was because that's what in the rules. A league is based on its credibility and its credibility comes from how closely it adheres to its rules.

While this is true it isn't the whole truth. The credibility of an event is both on how it adheres to it's rules and how well it adapts to foreign situations. You seem to be good at the former but horrible at the latter judging by this one event(Which is harsh). I don't really like the fact you brought this up since it seems rather shady to defend ones actions.

MatronStarcraft

35 Posts

November 07 2010 01:57 GMT

#27

Thanks for the quick explanation.

schimmetje

Netherlands1104 Posts

November 07 2010 01:58 GMT

#28

Meh mistakes happen, though it (decision as well as rule) should probably be something to evaluate later. Appreciate the communication though and besides that the tournament has been pretty awesome, so well done to everyone there.

TheGrimace

United States929 Posts

November 07 2010 01:58 GMT

#29

I'm not really sure how to feel about this situation. I was glad TLO pausing a game because he chose the wrong race turned out alright. I hear QXC played as the wrong color, but no action was taken. I just hate that a player with a clear advantage had a win taken that late in the game. Letting a game start, let alone run, on the wrong map is just insane. If an admin missed that and no player objected within the first minute of the game, the game should be considered valid. Tyler is clearly tilting and the credibility of this outcome is seriously suspect now. I am not impressed, I hope this doesn't happen again.

BroOd

Austin10831 Posts

November 07 2010 02:03 GMT

#30

Thanks for posting your rationale, Lee. It's a really ugly situation to have to deal with and say, "we made a mistake" but we appreciate all the hard work you and the MLG staff as a whole put into these events. I don't know if I necessarily agree with the idea that rules can't be flexible during a tournament, but that's an entirely different discussion, and one beyond the scope of this thread. I think the emotional reaction in the LR thread of extreme indignation doesn't really represent most people's respect for the job you do.

Egyptian_Head

South Africa508 Posts

November 07 2010 02:04 GMT

#31

I think you guys made the right call. I mean it sucks for Tyler but if the rules aren't followed it sets a bad precedent. But I do suggest you change the rule, say if X amount of time passes in a game without noticing its the wrong map the game must continue. Or at least something along those lines. The players I assume know the first map before the game so they can point out its the wrong map so it is fair.

SmoKe93

Germany162 Posts

November 07 2010 02:06 GMT

#32

I hope everyone appreciates the honesty of MLG. Thanks for it

Clane07226

United States72 Posts

November 07 2010 02:06 GMT

#33

can someone explain exactly what happened? I missed it.

MLG_Lee

279 Posts

November 07 2010 02:06 GMT

#34

RE: Bending the rules and more on asking the players--bending the rules is a slippery slope. And under the pressure of a tournament compounding a mistake with a bad judgement would be how much worse? ALOT. The admin's job is to be impartial. The players are partial by definition, even when they're as nice as these two guys are. I've hung out with both of them and plan to apologize personally to them when the match is over.

On a slightly related note, I think it's much better that you guys disagree with the rules and that we take that into consideration and have a healthy debate about them. It would be much worse for you guys to disagree with a ref or an admin who made a judgement call.

We have, in the past, where a rule wasn't in place consulted the players on what they would prefer. It's rare, but it happens. But the final decision is the Tournament Admin's. And he is required to follow the rules where they exist.

RE: Map pools, same deal as the rules. We published a map list when we announced the Dallas finals. Everyone bought passes based on that. If we changed the map list right before the event, that's kind of uncool to people who bought the passes. In order to do that, we would have to get EVERYONE who bought a pass to agree to it. And, no offense to the players, but I didn't get the required gear and driver emails from more than 10 players. So, we didn't adjust them for Dallas.

That said, we will absolutely adjust the maps before the next event.

DrainX

Sweden3187 Posts

November 07 2010 02:09 GMT

#35

*edit* wrong thread

cup of joe

28 Posts

November 07 2010 02:09 GMT

#36

question, if the game had ended (as it was going to in the next couple of minutes) before the error was noticed, would the win have been taken back?

OverKiLL.

United States199 Posts

November 07 2010 02:10 GMT

#37

On November 07 2010 11:03 BroOd wrote:
Thanks for posting your rationale, Lee. It's a really ugly situation to have to deal with and say, "we made a mistake" but we appreciate all the hard work you and the MLG staff as a whole put into these events. I don't know if I necessarily agree with the idea that rules can't be flexible during a tournament, but that's an entirely different discussion, and one beyond the scope of this thread. I think the emotional reaction in the LR thread of extreme indignation doesn't really represent most people's respect for the job you do.

amen.

DamnCats

United States1472 Posts

November 07 2010 02:10 GMT

#38

You've won my heart, MLG_Lee.

deejayy

United States38 Posts

November 07 2010 02:11 GMT

#39

Perhaps modifying the rule so that it states "wrong maps will be restarted unless game has been going on for X minutes"?

After a certain amount of time, I feel like the players are deeply invested enough that continuing would be better?

But then again I suppose that doesn't account for if someone 6pools and wins in less time than the "X minutes" predetermined?

Darkstar_X

United States197 Posts

November 07 2010 02:11 GMT

#40

It felt like a no-win situation, the important part being apologizing to the players. As far as the rule goes, I think if the game goes on "long enough" and a clear advantage is seen (as decided by a ref), it shouldn't be taken away. The psychological effect of feeling "robbed" of a win looks pretty devastating.