EPT[MLG] LiquidTyler vs Pain.User restart issue - Page 3
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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GhostBusters
United States198 Posts
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
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Attris
United States175 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:06 MLG_Lee wrote: RE: Bending the rules and more on asking the players--bending the rules is a slippery slope. And under the pressure of a tournament compounding a mistake with a bad judgement would be how much worse? ALOT. The admin's job is to be impartial. The players are partial by definition, even when they're as nice as these two guys are. I've hung out with both of them and plan to apologize personally to them when the match is over. That's the issue. There's 2 schools of thoughts if you are impartial. 1) Follow the rules regardless of situation or 2) Break the rule in this situation owing to the fact that following it could be more damaging than breaking it. Apologizing is really just something to clear the guilty parties conscious. I see no point in it. The whole match has basically been invalidated because it's a lose-lose situation. Now PainUser will never be credited for his win and Tyler was potentially robbed. Surely as an admin you have to weigh the two evils(Breaking/Following) and conclude which is the lesser one. I really don't see how blindly sticking to the rules is logical or smart. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:11 Darkstar_X wrote: It felt like a no-win situation, the important part being apologizing to the players. As far as the rule goes, I think if the game goes on "long enough" and a clear advantage is seen (as decided by a ref), it shouldn't be taken away. The psychological effect of feeling "robbed" of a win looks pretty devastating. I agree with this. Also, revealing strategies/build orders is a pretty huge issue. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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MLG.Shrew
United States79 Posts
 Lee will always give it to you straight. | ||
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jamvng
Canada244 Posts
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
The game was too far in to be played (I can accept the map blunder) and a CLEAR advantage had been set in place. Nony should have gotten the win because the game was played too long and a clear advantage had been set. I'm still shocked at how they restarted it, you know how devastating that can be to someones psych? Damn MLG, sourly disappointing. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
Change this ill-conceived rule after this tourney ends, for MLG 2011. | ||
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
After these 30 seconds they have forfeited their right to complain. With a timer of 30 seconds everyone will be able to split drones etc. and actually think a bit but not long enough for anything important to have happened (as someone mentioned, setting the mark to 3 minutes means that 6pools and such could already be in effect). | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On November 07 2010 10:47 MLG_Lee wrote: Several questions like this and that's the "nice" thing to do, but it's not the RIGHT thing to do. If we do this EVERYTIME there's an issue, we mind as well just make rules up on the fly. The time to _SET_ rules is BEFORE the tournament. The time to _REVISE_ rules is AFTER the tournament. The rules that we set for the tournament is what players buy passes for and expect to have in place when they show up. That's a level competitive playing field. And mistakes happen, we're human and we're here for 16-20 hours a day for 7 days straight getting the event ready and running it. Most for time you never even see them because when they do, we have rules in place that everyone can look at and say "this is how it's supposed to be." If we adjusted them on the fly, and especially in a situation like this, there's no point to the rules. And if the rule was to ask the players whether they should reset, in this instance Pain.User had a clear advantage. Wouldn't he say yes of course? And wouldn't Tyler say no, reset? Even if they're both perfect gentlemen about it (which, given who they are, I think they would be), how can that be a fair level playing field? The SITUATION is what sucks here, not the rules. And we (MLG) errored, so we apologize for creating the situation. EDIT: misphrased a bit about playing out. Correct view of handling the rules of the tournament. Something that was brought up during MLG DC was the rule regarding no chat during game. The only thing players are able to say in game is "gl hf gg". But during several matches players are chatting during game, should not the rules be followed then? Are you not using all the rules in the book? | ||
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MrEaux
United States165 Posts
13 minutes seems like a hell of a long to time to not notice this considering how many games are a lot shorter than that. | ||
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BlitZl0l
United States32 Posts
You have to understand this is unfair, and I really hope you change the rule. It sucks that we are overly critical on what you guys do, but thems the brakes if you want to be a big dog in the gaming scene :D. Even GSL waited on one of their players over when they should have been DQ'd if I remember correctly. It was clear who won that game, and Tyler definitely went on tilt after it, losing the series 2-0 to PainUser floating 3k minerals.... Edit: What about TLO picking the wrong race, what are the rules on that? | ||
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Feijichang
China167 Posts
13 minute game with a clear lead to one player. There are so many psychological aspects that go into a Bo3... that first game going on with Painuser getting hammered.. I can't even bother going into it. If anything a wrong map affects both players at least. I was so angry myself after that that I couldn't even enjoy the games. I wish they would have just ended the series and replayed tomorrow. I finally know why football fans get so fucking upset after a bad call. + Show Spoiler + Suck a massive dick MLG. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Whoever made it on the wrong map screwed up (day/wheat? They seem to have been making most of the games) but the decision was as fair as one can make it. It was a shitty thing to happen but resetting the score to 0-0 was fair | ||
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