EPTBut, with humble recognition of your error, understanding that the integrity of any tournament rests on keeping its rule set absolute. I, as representative of SC2 community, both parts involved, their families, pets and (if any) spouses/significant others/gay lovers, the humanity as a whole and every other sentient being in the known universe, forgive you.
[MLG] LiquidTyler vs Pain.User restart issue - Page 6
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
But, with humble recognition of your error, understanding that the integrity of any tournament rests on keeping its rule set absolute. I, as representative of SC2 community, both parts involved, their families, pets and (if any) spouses/significant others/gay lovers, the humanity as a whole and every other sentient being in the known universe, forgive you. | ||
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
People saying that yea Tyler wins the first game then Pain wins the second and third? How can you make that assumption? Tyler gets to pick the third map and because Tyler is such a non standard playing Toss he's BOUND to have a good strat on the third map, and it's up to Pain to pull something out of the bag. That and they also affected (debatable but realistic) Tylers psych. By restarting the first game you've basically ELIMINATED that strategy from being used again, giving Pain a leg-up somewhat. Also not to mention the rage and disappointment Tyler could've been experiencing where on the flipside Pain will be feeling relieved and have been given a confidence booster. Basically it seems as though the restart affects Tyler and rewards Pain which imo is very stupid. Neither player had a problem with the map and was played too far in to be restarted. Not to mention the advantage Nony had set in place. Silly, silly decision my MLG Disgusted with the decision. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:36 BlitZl0l wrote: Huk should have been DQ'd for tahts halo. Bet MLG wouldn't even attempt to go there, have a damn riot in that place. What ever happened to the customer is always right, no way you thought the fans would just be okay with this decision, that's why you came and made this post. If you aren't pleasing the people who pay for this shit, who are you holding this tournament for? wow what? customer is always right is bullshit the tournament is held for the players the fans are there because they are interested in watching players compete | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
When revision time comes I hope an MLG community representative will make a Rules Feedback thread here on TL in order to review suggestions. | ||
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monkh
United Kingdom568 Posts
I think if you are going to do it u should of made it a BO5 if its an MLG/Admins fault. BO3's feel like person who wins first map has large advantage, that advantage feels slightly less in BO5 and meta game would have less of an effect and better player will come out of top which is what everyone wants. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:32 liaf wrote: I am comparing this situation to Kespa because everyone got mad at them for "following the rules" You should always follow the rules. what you are discussing is if the rule is a good one or not. But as has been stated that is something that should be handled before or after the tournament. The players should have been aware of the rules and as such knew the conditions they were playing under. While it is a sucky situation MLG made the right call by following the rules. I think there are some good arguments about changing the rule but saying the people saying they shouldn't follow them are wrong as the rules were set before hand. I really don't like the idea of asking players to decide anything. It is an awful situation made worse. The player now has to decide if he should choose his personal interest or try and look like he is manner. I watched a show match where this occurred and the player in the lead deffered to a rematch instead of taking the win on the final game, he eventually lost (there was a prize pool). Huk was given a hard time about the MS rush because people said he wasn't playing to win but doesn't that mean they should also argue every call to be in their favor? That is why we need ref/admins to make these calls. The biggest issues is that it was the casted game. If we hadn't been watching and just were notified of this occurrence then pain won 2-0 most people wouldn't have pushed the issue. The fact that there was a rule in place for this I think is great, and thanks Lee for sharing with us the reasoning for the choice as well as keeping an ear to the community. | ||
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Pills
206 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:37 Jibba wrote: It's really unfortunate, but I believe you made the correct decision and I'm especially pleased that you were forthright about the situation and its reasoning. Follow the rules now, revise them later. That's how it needs to go. There's minor infractions and then there's ones that actually affect gameplay. Having the wrong starting map obviously falls in the latter, while chitchat and switched colors are the former. Chit chat can be distracting to your opponent. Switching your color can be advantageous too: Qxc chose purple, which is the same color as the creep, and allows him to almost be camouflaged on the minimap while he's on creep. I say you restart all of those games if you're intent on following the rules without fail. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
That said, the reason that it was a full reset was because that's what in the rules. A league is based on its credibility and its credibility comes from how closely it adheres to its rules. This rule left no room for discretion. I think you are taking rules in a wrong way. It was a rule to report all jews to the Nazis in World War II, I for one am glad people didn't follow it. Really sad for Tyler to get such an unfair treatment, it clearly threw him off as he had won that match. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Rudiment
United States174 Posts
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PROJECTILE
United States226 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:42 rastaban wrote: You should always follow the rules. what you are discussing is if the rule is a good one or not. But as has been stated that is something that should be handled before or after the tournament. No, you shouldn't. Strict rule enforcement is good in certain situations (dealing with extremely large populations, for example), but dealing with them on a case by case basis with general guidelines is usually preferable on a variety of issues. | ||
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Weird
United States832 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:34 hiyo_bye wrote: Thanks for the clarification, good PR skillz But frankly people just complain too much, can't really blame you guys Just try to put yourself in Tyler's situation, you can't, I can't, but try to understand that instead of going up 1-0 you get the game ripped from your hands by the admins who fucked up... I would love to see the OP respond to the rules violations pointed out above about pausing and in game chat, it's obvious that rules were broken there but nothing happened, they know they screwed up, don't expect anything other than "we work hard" and "we'll do better in the future"... | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:39 449 wrote: edit: I'll admit I'm upset with the call, but nevertheless, MLG Dallas has been an amazing tournament so far amazing. We can all agree on that some great games so far and some i really want to see that havent been casted but heard how good they were | ||
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449
United States53 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:44 absalom86 wrote: I think you are taking rules in a wrong way. It was a rule to report all jews to the Nazis in World War II, I for one am glad people didn't follow it. Did you really just use the Nazis as an analogy for what just happened? Really? | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:37 liaf wrote: So tourney decisions shouldn't be made according to fairness, but according to profit? You're looking at it in black and white terms. It's a matter of severity. Severity of the infraction or mistake, and severity of the action taken. Disqualifying one of the quarter final players for being 10 minutes late is severe, whereas starting a game 10 minutes late is not. Restarting a match 15 minutes into it is severe, but so is accepting the results of a game played on an incorrect map. Since the choice is lose/lose, they erred on the side of "follow the written rules, even though they weren't intended to deal with this situation". | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:41 awu25 wrote: wow what? customer is always right is bullshit the tournament is held for the players the fans are there because they are interested in watching players compete No, the tournament is held for the spectators. Sponsors don't provide prize money because they like people who play video games really well, they provide prize money because players draw spectators. | ||
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photomuse
United States102 Posts
It is also understandable that such a mistake was made (although this should be rare). In the future, I recommend that you put in a mechanical checklist process that each ref goes through at the beginning of each game: 1. What round it it? 2. What map should it be? 3. Who is the higher seed? 4. Are the colors correct? This way such errors will be caught in the first minute of the game. I feel like you should add a rule that if a game is stopped for any reason after more than 6 minutes have passed, then there will a forced 10 minute break for the players to collect themselves before the series resumes. | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:41 awu25 wrote: wow what? customer is always right is bullshit the tournament is held for the players the fans are there because they are interested in watching players compete The no ingame chat rule is only for GSL. Lame and wrong a bad comboi.. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:43 Pills wrote: Chit chat can be distracting to your opponent. Switching your color can be advantageous too: Qxc chose purple, which is the same color as the creep, and allows him to almost be camouflaged on the minimap while he's on creep. I say you restart all of those games if you're intent on following the rules without fail. Actually, you can press a button so that all your colour does is change your units colour, and it makes all of your units green on the Minimap, and all your opponents red. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:43 Pills wrote: Chit chat can be distracting to your opponent. Switching your color can be advantageous too: Qxc chose purple, which is the same color as the creep, and allows him to almost be camouflaged on the minimap while he's on creep. I say you restart all of those games if you're intent on following the rules without fail. Stop being a facetious ass. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On November 07 2010 11:50 Firereaver wrote: The no ingame chat rule is only for GSL. Lame and wrong a bad comboi.. 3.Players may not chat in-game unless they are engaging in pre-game sportsmanship or surrendering the Game. | ||
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