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On July 11 2010 05:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 04:56 CharlieMurphy wrote:
If you wanna do an invite only tourney then do it, if you wanna do a public tourney then do it. But the way the format is now is lame. So far you're the only one that think that. I personally think it's a DAMN good format. Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 04:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Are players not also fans?
What the hell is wrong with a losers bracket? It's bo1.
And just fyi, I played a bo3 with my r128 guy and we are just submitting the last rep. Players can be fans but when they are playing they are players. Cause that's another 32 matches for these guys to deal with when they are already organizing over 400. What the hell do you expect of these guys? And I am pretty sure that's grounds for a DQ but I'm not an organizer. But it's not their fault you can't read the rules and play it correctly. Seriously man if you hate the format this much why on earth are you playing?
You're annoying. I'm just making a point. I guarantee you if this was bo1 and all those invite players ended up playing each other in r128 they would argue against it just like I am.
And this would also probably be detrimental to the quality of games towards the end rounds (ie fans).
It's just a poor format, plain and simple. I didn't say I hated the organizers or the event.
Ever heard of constructive criticism?
edit- in fact I even remember Artosis talking about the first tourney/lan he went to where the format was bad and they changed it on the fly.
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On July 11 2010 05:02 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Plenty of anything in the world, what is your point? just because someone else does it, its right?
Besides, my argument is not that bo1 is bad, it's just bad without a loser's bracket as well (which could also be bo1). So the minimum games a player could play is 2.
Charlie, + Show Spoiler + it's going to be ok, man!
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ret not responding in pms.
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On July 11 2010 05:20 Vegasminion wrote:
ret not responding in pms.
Ret doesn't owe you a thing! If he chooses to ignore your PM's - it's ok! You'll get disqualified and he'll get a bye! Because he's Ret!!!
JK you should PM Saechiis or JMS31207 so they could find you a replacement if they can't get in touch with ret. =)
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I'll see if I can find Ret although he is one of the players I'm not too on the up and up with.
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Hmm I've been in contact with Ret, he'll get to you soon 
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Charlie I'm not going to argue with you anymore being your the only one that thinks this is dumb and completely disrespecting the tournament organizers. When you got more posts than temp bans maybe we can talk.
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I don't see how anyone can say that this is not a very poor format, it was obviously just thrown together as they went and as it got bigger. Certainly not well thought out or put together. The reason people are defending it is that there is a lot of money and good players on the line. But the fact remains that the format/organization is very low quality.
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I just looked at the brackets and it only shows one person that advanced to RO64 even there are at least 5 "for-sure" players that advanced (5 VOD's on ICCup.TV youtube channel).
I'm sure almost all of the results are in, so maybe we can get an update on that? =)
Pardon my impatience... xP
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On July 11 2010 05:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 05:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On July 11 2010 04:56 CharlieMurphy wrote:
If you wanna do an invite only tourney then do it, if you wanna do a public tourney then do it. But the way the format is now is lame. So far you're the only one that think that. I personally think it's a DAMN good format. On July 11 2010 04:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Are players not also fans?
What the hell is wrong with a losers bracket? It's bo1.
And just fyi, I played a bo3 with my r128 guy and we are just submitting the last rep. Players can be fans but when they are playing they are players. Cause that's another 32 matches for these guys to deal with when they are already organizing over 400. What the hell do you expect of these guys? And I am pretty sure that's grounds for a DQ but I'm not an organizer. But it's not their fault you can't read the rules and play it correctly. Seriously man if you hate the format this much why on earth are you playing? You're annoying. I'm just making a point. I guarantee you if this was bo1 and all those invite players ended up playing each other in r128 they would argue against it just like I am. And this would also probably be detrimental to the quality of games towards the end rounds (ie fans). It's just a poor format, plain and simple. I didn't say I hated the organizers or the event. Ever heard of constructive criticism? edit- in fact I even remember Artosis talking about the first tourney/lan he went to where the format was bad and they changed it on the fly.
How about YOU try running at 128 player loser bracket tournament. You're vastly underestimating the work involved in a simple 128 player tournament.
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On July 11 2010 05:32 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Charlie I'm not going to argue with you anymore being your the only one that thinks this is dumb and completely disrespecting the tournament organizers. When you got more posts than temp bans maybe we can talk.
I didn't ask to argue with you wtf, you're annoying and making stupid points anyways.
I like that last line, that was a good post sir.
On July 11 2010 05:39 MurMur wrote:
I don't see how anyone can say that this is not a very poor format, it was obviously just thrown together as they went and as it got bigger. Certainly not well thought out or put together. The reason people are defending it is that there is a lot of money and good players on the line. But the fact remains that the format/organization is very low quality.
Exactly.
On July 11 2010 05:46 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 05:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:On July 11 2010 05:03 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On July 11 2010 04:56 CharlieMurphy wrote:
If you wanna do an invite only tourney then do it, if you wanna do a public tourney then do it. But the way the format is now is lame. So far you're the only one that think that. I personally think it's a DAMN good format. On July 11 2010 04:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Are players not also fans?
What the hell is wrong with a losers bracket? It's bo1.
And just fyi, I played a bo3 with my r128 guy and we are just submitting the last rep. Players can be fans but when they are playing they are players. Cause that's another 32 matches for these guys to deal with when they are already organizing over 400. What the hell do you expect of these guys? And I am pretty sure that's grounds for a DQ but I'm not an organizer. But it's not their fault you can't read the rules and play it correctly. Seriously man if you hate the format this much why on earth are you playing? You're annoying. I'm just making a point. I guarantee you if this was bo1 and all those invite players ended up playing each other in r128 they would argue against it just like I am. And this would also probably be detrimental to the quality of games towards the end rounds (ie fans). It's just a poor format, plain and simple. I didn't say I hated the organizers or the event. Ever heard of constructive criticism? edit- in fact I even remember Artosis talking about the first tourney/lan he went to where the format was bad and they changed it on the fly. How about YOU try running at 128 player loser bracket tournament. You're vastly underestimating the work involved in a simple 128 player tournament.
Fine if it's this issue, then at least make r128 bo3. But i still prefer a loser bracket format or group format.
Anyways, I said my critiques and I'm not trying to start a debate.
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Each of those require vastly more amounts of work and seeing as this wasn't planned 3 months in advance your supposed critiques aren't really reasonable for the short term planning done by the organizers. Yes those would be better but given the circumstances they've done the best they can is it not possible for you to be happy with that?
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On July 11 2010 05:26 Saechiis wrote:Hmm I've been in contact with Ret, he'll get to you soon
how long we looking at? my time is limited.
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On July 11 2010 05:46 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I like that last line, that was a good post sir.
lol ty !
Fine if it's this issue, then at least make r128 bo3. But i still prefer a loser bracket format or group format.
Anyways, I said my critiques and I'm not trying to start a debate.
Actually this was something I brought up in the first place. One of the main issues it that it's a lot harder to find a 3-4 block of time for 64 different matches than it is to find a 1-1/2 hour block of time for 64 different matches. It may be $2600 but it puts a lot more stress on the players in a time when both b.net is messed up and the beta came back with no warning.
There's others such as the complete infeasibility of being able to offer as much coverage of this tournament as we wanted to do but this actually had no part in that decision.
I'm sure Raelcun could probably point the problems out more than me though with his EXTENSIVE background as a tournament admin with PGTour, and iCCup. Hell I think he's one of the three or four longest running admins iCCup has.
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On July 11 2010 05:45 Darkn3ss wrote:
I just looked at the brackets and it only shows one person that advanced to RO64 even there are at least 5 "for-sure" players that advanced (5 VOD's on ICCup.TV youtube channel).
I'm sure almost all of the results are in, so maybe we can get an update on that? =)
Pardon my impatience... xP
I've refrained from updating the brackets since it would spoil results. I'll update it when most results are in + Show Spoiler +go watch iCCupTV if you really want to know
To people that find our tournament badly organised:
It's easy to criticize other people on what they're doing, instead do it "right" yourself. I'm not saying we cannot improve on our organising, we're still improving along the way. But blatantly telling us "yeah ... it sucks, the format is bad and how could anyone think this tournament is not bad" ..?
How could that be helpful in any way? Constructive criticism is welcome, ranting is not. We're giving SC2 fans around the world what they want and I'm guessing they won't care how we did it as long as it gets there
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sorry for all the unanswered pm's, i worked doubles the last 3 days straight. Im going through my inbox and mass responding.
for those who need back-up players to fill in we are trying to get everything taken care of as soon as we can, please be patient.
As Saechiis said, we will be updating the brackets as soon as the majority of the games are in as to not do too much spoiling.
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That's a ton of games to cast, are you guys just hand picking interesting games to cast in the round of 128?
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Nope, iCCup is casting as many games humanly possible, trying to get that 100% coverage!
If people don't like our format that's fine, just like the effort that's being put in ^^
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On July 11 2010 06:45 Saechiis wrote:
Nope, iCCup is casting as many games humanly possible, trying to get that 100% coverage!
If people don't like our format that's fine, just like the effort that's being put in ^^
I like the format, I think a lot of the people complaining are people that lost in the first round. You had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted. Too bad so sad. Best of one is the most reasonable format for a 128 man bracket with the limited time frame of this phase 2 beta.
You could very well have just had an all pro 16 person bracket and saved yourself the stress of organizing this many people, but this is far more interesting and entertaining imho. Those who are competing as an unknown should be thanking you guys, not ripping on you.
Kudos to the organizers for giving me more pre-launch entertainment. =D
Edit: Can't wait to see which players make it into the round of 16 from the qualifiers :D
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Please note that only the RO128 is BO1, it will be BO3 from the RO64 on.
And thanks for your support Bowzer, we're glad to bring you some entertainment
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