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Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
January 26 2014 07:31 GMT
#21
On January 26 2014 14:15 Clbull wrote:
I wonder how long it will be until we see a full-fledged Starbow forum.


That would be cool, but is the game that even big enough yet? So far I don't see that many people interested in the game anymore, even though I would love for for new people to still join in.
Getting too old for this..
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
January 26 2014 08:44 GMT
#22
does anyone know if bio works vs protoss in starbow ?
this is a quote
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
January 26 2014 11:49 GMT
#23
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Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 26 2014 11:50 GMT
#24
On January 26 2014 17:44 goody153 wrote:
does anyone know if bio works vs protoss in starbow ?




I think it can work, but it is very tricky. Definitely unexplored terrain.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
January 26 2014 12:07 GMT
#25
Re tagged this to [D] for now. I don't think there will be a full on Starbow forum because to be honest it's still fairly limited, what do you think of race specific threads like the sc2 ones? Is anyone here willing to maintain them?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
January 26 2014 12:30 GMT
#26
@ Bio

I think the hard part about bio is to figure out build orders and transitions. Maurauder is so weak against Chargelots and Marines are so weak against AOE. On the other hand, when you get your composition consisting of SV's, Maurauders, a few Marines and Vultures, nothing really stops you as long as your macro is strong and unlike mech, your a lot more mobile.

But IMO it is something that needs to be kinda figured out, because there are a lot of deadly timings that will kill an unexperienced bio player in TvP.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
January 26 2014 17:07 GMT
#27
On January 26 2014 21:07 Teoita wrote:
Re tagged this to [D] for now. I don't think there will be a full on Starbow forum because to be honest it's still fairly limited, what do you think of race specific threads like the sc2 ones? Is anyone here willing to maintain them?

I'd be willing to make a Protoss one and maintain it. I might need a bit of a hand in terms of quality control as I am thus far pretty terrible at Starbow!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
January 26 2014 17:25 GMT
#28
I don't think we'd have any blue posters/badass op's for starbow like we do for sc2 for a while yet. As long as you can keep a reasonable OP with a few faq's and maybe a couple of bo's, that'd be fine.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Freeze967
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
January 26 2014 17:58 GMT
#29
The Jay's TvZ build should be ZvT, as it is written from a Zerg perspective. As of now, some zerg players might not notice it and not use the build. Just a small little fix, thanks though!
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
January 26 2014 18:06 GMT
#30
Best TvZ opening ever: 14cc.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
January 26 2014 18:06 GMT
#31
On January 27 2014 02:25 Teoita wrote:
I don't think we'd have any blue posters/badass op's for starbow like we do for sc2 for a while yet. As long as you can keep a reasonable OP with a few faq's and maybe a couple of bo's, that'd be fine.

I am trying to figure out a format that isn't unwieldy.

I think a 'general' Starbow strategy thread, that explains the economy differences and the different behaviours of units etc, changes to armour etc.

Then have racial-specific threads, that link to that, but are primarily dealing with build orders and those kind of discussions?

As someone who has dived into this mod without enough reading, despite vague knowledge of Brood War I was getting hammered hardcore by the different flow of the economy. It's great, but it took me quite a while to really get a hold of things because there's not really a central point devoted to race-specific builds. At least the anti-fans complaining that Starbow is overhyped have ceased to clutter up the big thread at least

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Freeze967
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
January 26 2014 18:19 GMT
#32
On January 27 2014 03:06 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 02:25 Teoita wrote:
I don't think we'd have any blue posters/badass op's for starbow like we do for sc2 for a while yet. As long as you can keep a reasonable OP with a few faq's and maybe a couple of bo's, that'd be fine.

I am trying to figure out a format that isn't unwieldy.

I think a 'general' Starbow strategy thread, that explains the economy differences and the different behaviours of units etc, changes to armour etc.

Then have racial-specific threads, that link to that, but are primarily dealing with build orders and those kind of discussions?

As someone who has dived into this mod without enough reading, despite vague knowledge of Brood War I was getting hammered hardcore by the different flow of the economy. It's great, but it took me quite a while to really get a hold of things because there's not really a central point devoted to race-specific builds. At least the anti-fans complaining that Starbow is overhyped have ceased to clutter up the big thread at least



The most important part will be linking everything to the mega-starbow thread. That way it is easily navigable and confusion can be easily cleared up.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
January 26 2014 18:19 GMT
#33
I suppose that's a possibilty. We will see as this thread develops; as long as it's just two pages everything can probably stay here to be honest.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
January 26 2014 18:21 GMT
#34
Yeah for sure. There seems to be a bit of a disconnect in interest in watching Starbow, and people who are actually regularly playing it atm. Myself and a few of the disillusioned NI players have pretty much actually switched to it, so I have a vested interest in getting people to play it
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 26 2014 18:28 GMT
#35
Starbow will have its own web-site with a forum feature soon. Let's not flood tl.net with more threads now.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 18:38:33
January 26 2014 18:38 GMT
#36
I don't mind having a starbow thread in the sc2 strategy forum honestly (and i'm the one that keeps this place in a semblance of order). It's also probably a bit more visible than Starbow's site, at least for now.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 19:34:14
January 26 2014 19:10 GMT
#37
On January 27 2014 03:06 Mensol wrote:
Best TvZ opening ever: 14cc.


Been playing a bit with this vs 1rax gasless expo w/ bio follow up, and after talking a bit with Dirty (aka Foxxan), I have some thoughts on the build.

- 14CC lines up really well with a 2 rax (1 techlab, 1 reactor) followup. 1rax expand feels more ackward (which means you get stuff out a bit later).
- 14CC is probably safe if you build it on the high-ground and scv-scout.
- The counter to 14CC, 1techlab, 1 reactor follow up is hatch, hatch, pool --> lots of banelings (which kills the 8-8:30minute stim timing attack).
- Dirty argued though that you the terran player should scout the doublehatch opening and react by delaying gas and going for heavy marine pressure out of 3 quick barracks.

Overall, though, I still think more pressure oriented builds (Reaper/Vulture's) are better. I think if zerg scouts the 14cc he should be aware that terrans follow-up options generally come later (esp since Stim takes a bit too long too research). While the zerg doesn't have to go doublehatch before pool, I think he can still defend a quick 3rd on a good drone count with a good bling sized army (instead of rushing to Mutalisks).
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
January 26 2014 19:32 GMT
#38
On January 27 2014 02:07 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 21:07 Teoita wrote:
Re tagged this to [D] for now. I don't think there will be a full on Starbow forum because to be honest it's still fairly limited, what do you think of race specific threads like the sc2 ones? Is anyone here willing to maintain them?

I'd be willing to make a Protoss one and maintain it. I might need a bit of a hand in terms of quality control as I am thus far pretty terrible at Starbow!


I think (for now) it would be great if you made a protoss subsection that I could put into my OP.
Freeze967
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
January 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#39
Maybe the builds can be organized into a PvX, TvX, ZvX instead of just the order they were posted in the thread? It's make more sense when reading it. Otherwise it's cool how many build we have already.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
January 26 2014 19:51 GMT
#40
On January 27 2014 04:42 Freeze967 wrote:
Maybe the builds can be organized into a PvX, TvX, ZvX instead of just the order they were posted in the thread? It's make more sense when reading it. Otherwise it's cool how many build we have already.


Yeh evenutally that will be great.
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