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On March 27 2012 12:04 Cyanocyst wrote:
Can anyone tell me how players, (and i know this is a very popular method) Inject using 55v66v77v method?
Man this just looks odd. For instance im assuming that you use your middle finger to double click the 5, then you index finger to click the V. but as you get further and further away from 5 this becomes harder and harder due to the angle. Here's a tip: press V with your thumb.
I will demonstrate in the image below.
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i have my queens on 5/6/7/8 and inject with T .. works rly good for me
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Huh I always was curious as to how other people did it, I personally rebound base camera to a mouse button on my thumb side I would then hit 2 (queen hotkey) and cycle through using my mouse hotkey and click. Even in a fight going off and doing injects with practice takes no time at all and eventually little to no focus as you just keep your mouse in the middle of the screen.
The downside is if you forget to change out of your queen hotkey and click somewhere by accident your queens will go off and progress to that place. and sometimes the base camera cycles between already injected hatcheries
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55v66v is most easy method for me... i can quickly inject that way and make my way through the hatcheries... tried the other methods, but this one suits me the best.
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On March 27 2012 19:03 snexwang wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 12:04 Cyanocyst wrote:
Can anyone tell me how players, (and i know this is a very popular method) Inject using 55v66v77v method?
Man this just looks odd. For instance im assuming that you use your middle finger to double click the 5, then you index finger to click the V. but as you get further and further away from 5 this becomes harder and harder due to the angle. Here's a tip: press V with your thumb. I will demonstrate in the image below. + Show Spoiler +
Wow that was very clever. i am adding this diagram to the OP. Thanks!
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I like how even the poll is 
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On March 27 2012 20:14 Ketch wrote:I like how even the poll is
I know. I am actually very suprised how many players don't hotkey queens, which I started to do 2 weeks ago. If you get used to it, you can avoid a lot of the problems with the backspace method and 55v66v77v method.
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i rebound my base key to spacebar
and my number of wueens is relative to how much energy i have on each queen per hatch cause at some point i miss an inject. but normally i will have 1 per hatch.
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On March 27 2012 20:11 lhr0909 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 19:03 snexwang wrote:On March 27 2012 12:04 Cyanocyst wrote:
Can anyone tell me how players, (and i know this is a very popular method) Inject using 55v66v77v method?
Man this just looks odd. For instance im assuming that you use your middle finger to double click the 5, then you index finger to click the V. but as you get further and further away from 5 this becomes harder and harder due to the angle. Here's a tip: press V with your thumb. I will demonstrate in the image below. + Show Spoiler + Wow that was very clever. i am adding this diagram to the OP. Thanks! I was actually taking the piss. You know... your thumb rests on the space bar, so to press V you just have to move it up a bit. It seems so obvious to me.  But no worries, mate.
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I kinda swap. I'll go and use the "backspace method" (base camera bound to spacebar), but only if I have one queen at each base. If one dies, or one is in the middle of production, I use camera hotkeys (same as BW), to navigate to hatches and use the "hardcore method", that way my queens won't go to bases they're not supposed to be at.
On March 16 2012 08:39 dsousa wrote:
More PRO zergs need to start hotkeying their eggs that are producing army units.
Its seems far better because you don't have bad rallies and your units reinforce faster.
Why don't more people do it?
Sometimes after I'm done producing units I'll ctrl + click the eggs in the unit selection panel, then just push shift + hotkey to add them to that hotkey.
It's great for quick reinforcement, but I find that there are times when you'll want units back at home instead of out on the field. I feel safer leaving some at home to deal with potential counter attacks, etc.
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for the last one, I make 1 per hatch +1. So, 3 for 2 hatches, 4 for 3, 5 for 4, etc.
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I individually bind hatcherys to hotkeys 5-9 and I bind all hatcherys to 0 which is rebound to the Y key. If I make a macro hatch then I bind it with the hatchery it's closest to as well as to 0 (Y).
Reasoning:
1) I can check when I need to inject by tapping any number from 5-9 as I'll be able to see the progress bar.
2) I can control which hatcheries build which units using only my keyboard. If I want only my further away 3rd or 4th to be making drones while my other bases are making units I can easily do that.
3) Rally points. It's very easy to insure that I don't lose unnecessary units that are all rallied to the same point which could contain enemy units. For example if my natural is under siege in a ZvT I don't want units from my third to run through the Terran and into my natural. Individual hotkeys is the fastest way to make sure this doesn't happen.
4) If I do need to mass produce units without discrimination I have the option of using Y.
Ultimately I think it's the method that gives you the most control over your hatcheries and production. It's difficult to manage sometimes but as I work towards mastering it I think it makes me a better player.
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On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click
What does shift do for you exactly in this situation? I use the backspace method without shift (as I never thought of doing it) but if this will improve my injecting then I'm down!
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On March 28 2012 00:20 usNEUX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click
What does shift do for you exactly in this situation? I use the backspace method without shift (as I never thought of doing it) but if this will improve my injecting then I'm down!
If you don't hold shift, you have to keep pressing e after every click. Holding shift, you can just switch between base jumping and clicking.
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On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:/sigh YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations). Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1Camera location hotkeys is this stuff: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2f39Y.png) I set camera location hotkeys so I can navigate between my bases extremely easily, eg if there is a helion drop I can just 'F1' (go to main), grab my drones, and hit F2 (my expo) and right click them on minerals. If there is harassment at my third I just hit 'F3' and I'm there. Furthermore, I can use the camera hotkeys to make injecting extremely easy, as I just: Select all queens [hold shift] + inject f1 click, f2 click, f3 click, f4 click Very easy, very quick, and 100% reliable at any stage of the game. If I have a macro hatch I will usually put it adjacent to one of my other hatches, so I just throw in an extra click. The only downside is that you must set up the camera locations yourself, but there's loads of time to do this at the start of the game (and you want to use camera hotkeys ANYWAY because they're great).
I don't know about anyone else, but trying to hold shift while pressing F1 - F4 while alternatively pressing 'e', all with your left hand, sounds like a nightmare. How the hell do you do that?
Using the backspace method, I inject so fast that I don't even see the queens inject. If I happen to cycle to a base that I know doesn't have a queen, I just hit 's', and go through the cycle again.
If you don't like having to stop your queens from moving all over the map, then you could simply concentrate a little more as you cycle through your bases so you don't inject on a base without a queen. Since you only use one hotkey (backspace), as opposed to several different hotkeys for bases, cameras, or queens, this is the most effeceint method in terms of key presses and amount of keys needed to be pressed.
6 - Select Queens
V - Inject
Hold Shift
Backspace - Base 1
Click
Backspace - Base 2
Click
Backspace - Base 3
Click
Backspace - Base 4
Click
Total Key Strokes = 11
Total Keys = 5 (including mouse click)
P.S. Of course, backspace should be mapped to a more convenient key, whatever works for you.
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I use the backspace method, and rebound backspace to tilde because i use the spacebar pretty often. The queens going bonkers thing just encourages me to spread my creep i guess, and sometimes i actively look for it if i have a hatch that's out of the way and fix it. The problem with it being on tilde is that i hit SHIFT+1 and add my queens to all of my hatches sometimes. I use 2-4 for units.
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Nice thread! I tried many injection methods and they all kinda suck tbh. I prefer the 'hardcore' way (i manually select every queen while cycling the hatches) Now I don't hotkey any queens and it feels way more natural and I tend to miss less injects. It also brings a certain relaxation to the game since no queens will wander across the map and no shift-number any queens once they pop. The less, the more.
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On March 28 2012 02:03 Grayboosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:/sigh YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations). Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1Camera location hotkeys is this stuff: I set camera location hotkeys so I can navigate between my bases extremely easily, eg if there is a helion drop I can just 'F1' (go to main), grab my drones, and hit F2 (my expo) and right click them on minerals. If there is harassment at my third I just hit 'F3' and I'm there. Furthermore, I can use the camera hotkeys to make injecting extremely easy, as I just: Select all queens [hold shift] + inject f1 click, f2 click, f3 click, f4 click Very easy, very quick, and 100% reliable at any stage of the game. If I have a macro hatch I will usually put it adjacent to one of my other hatches, so I just throw in an extra click. The only downside is that you must set up the camera locations yourself, but there's loads of time to do this at the start of the game (and you want to use camera hotkeys ANYWAY because they're great). I don't know about anyone else, but trying to hold shift while pressing F1 - F4 while alternatively pressing 'e', all with your left hand, sounds like a nightmare. How the hell do you do that? Using the backspace method, I inject so fast that I don't even see the queens inject. If I happen to cycle to a base that I know doesn't have a queen, I just hit 's', and go through the cycle again. If you don't like having to stop your queens from moving all over the map, then you could simply concentrate a little more as you cycle through your bases so you don't inject on a base without a queen. Since you only use one hotkey (backspace), as opposed to several different hotkeys for bases, cameras, or queens, this is the most effeceint method in terms of key presses and amount of keys needed to be pressed. 6 - Select Queens V - Inject Hold Shift Backspace - Base 1 Click Backspace - Base 2 Click Backspace - Base 3 Click Backspace - Base 4 Click Total Key Strokes = 11 Total Keys = 5 (including mouse click) P.S. Of course, backspace should be mapped to a more convenient key, whatever works for you.
Forward button on mouse - Select queens
Hold shift
E - inject
Hold Alt
Q
click
W
click
A
click
S
click
Hold one more button and you get the same thing otherwise, except you don't have to spend that extra time looking for the queen on each base, and you don't have to spend time cycling bases you don't want to inject.
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At the start I was using the 55v66v77v style, I came from BW so I felt it is meant to be this way :D than I discovered some other possibilities and now Im most happy with the backspace method, I binded " ~ " button as backspace.
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For the record, I use the backspace (rebound to 'W') option.
Another bonus for having all queens hotkeyed to a single command group, is for EARLY Voidray/banshee defense and transfusions throughout the game. Having all my Queens in one command group have saved many a spinecrawler/roach/Breeding pool at early points in games in order to survive. When you're in panic mode having the queens on a command group helps tremendously (for me, at low level, anyway).
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