[D] Zerg Inject Method Poll - Page 3

Of course it's far slower, pure physics prove it. Using a mouse is never as fast as using a keyboard. Just because DRG uses it and is one of the best zergs doesn't mean the method itself is better, it just means he's better. The difference between inject methods is not big enough to win or lose you games anyway, it's just easier to get good at it using an effective system

Feel free to explain more reasons why it's good to hotkey hatcheries individually compared to have saved locations. I already noted inject progression, but it isn't needed if you have the timings down (with proper location keys, you can keep checking your bases constantly anyway, it's extremely fast) and if you want more keys for your units, it's a high price to pay.

On March 16 2012 19:58 Madera wrote:
@Tobberoth, I don't know which method you use but I'm guessing the backspace method. Yes, your method will always be a bit faster than either binding your queens or your hatcheries. You're not going to lose games because of which injecting method you use but I still prefer hotkeying my hatcheries because it personally gives me more control.

They are both as you put it, effective systems and I'm not arguing that mine is better. DRG is not the best Zerg in the world because of the way he injects but I was stating that the setup I use is as fast as it needs to be to be used in high-end competitive play.


Okay, so first of all, I use both camera hotkeys on my bases and I hotkey my hatcheries. The reasons why I like hotkeying them individually are purely personal and won't help your play except checking for larva progression but I'd advise against checking your progression with camera hotkeys because you don't want your eyes and hands doing the same thing, i.e, macroing and looking at your base.

I still think tapping to see your larva progress is really good even though you know the timings in your head (I do). Would you like to explain a little bit more why you think it's unnecessary? I'm happy with having my army on 3 control groups so I wouldn't really call it sacrificing control groups for hatcheries.

On March 16 2012 21:11 Madera wrote:
@Tobberoth, We obviously disagree on how long is too long when you're injecting your hatcheries but that's fine. I haven't found any annoyance with focusing my eyes but it may be because you're not used to it. For me, it's rather easy to tap back, select the queen and inject without having my eyes focus for more than a split second. It's easy to find inconveniences in each other's methods because we don't use them on a daily basis.

The Darkgrid layout seems pretty cool and definitely better than the standard backspace method so I'll have to check it out and see if I like it. It might drive me insane though because I've been using my setup for 3-4 years.

On March 16 2012 17:47 ckolev wrote:
I use the "Backspace" inject when my hatcheries are equal to my queens (3 or 4 usually) , but my hotkeys are very re-ordered.

What I use is CTRL_group_4 for the queens, W key for the "base camera" hotkey and E for inject larva on the queen. My injects look like:

4->E->W+click

Since 4, E and W keys are very close, its actually gives additional speed to the total action sequence (1-1.5 seconds to inject 4 hatcheries)

In late game, then I have 6+ hatcheries, I use what you called the "Hardcore" style, as the "base camera" one mixes up my queens. With 6+ hatcheries, you don't need to be so precise on the injects, if I inject 4 hatcheries and I have 2-3 more, usually that's over 20 larva from one inject cycle.

On March 16 2012 17:42 Tobberoth wrote:
I use the Darkgrid method. It's without a doubt the best method since it's just as fast as backspace inject, but with way more control, you only inject the hatches you want to inject, and in the order you want to inject them, so there's no queens running around or any other BS.

On March 17 2012 01:27 kaluro wrote:


This clearly shows that you're promoting a method while throwing another one in the dirt for no reason.
With the backspace inject method, you use S at the end of your cycle so that your queens hold ground.

On March 17 2012 01:30 Math.random(); wrote:
I have every hatch on a single hotkey and no queens on any hotkey. Becuause I love flexibility, checking the bar to the next inject and having not to use f1,2,3,4 to jump quickly to my base to pull drones in case of a drop. It may be slower but I don't think I'm having a big disadvantage with it. If I've 5+ I'm trying to hold down backspace+shift+v+spam right click.

On March 17 2012 02:04 Iksf wrote:


A lot of people who use camera hotkeys etc seem to forget about the larva meter. Unless your looking at your base you cannot see your larva progress with camera hotkeys and though you can guess its nice to have it exactly right. Personally I don't use my all hatcheries key (0) until lategame because 4sd5sd6sd7sd etc gives me much more control over both my injects but also ensuring no hatcheries have over 3 larva.

On March 17 2012 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:
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But using 'S' at the end of the inject cycle to prevent wandering queens doesn't resolve the issue that the hatches those wandering queens were on their way to go uninjected. I'm not pew-pew'ing the Backspace method, I use it partially as well, but it's still a problem.