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UPDATE: Added picture demonstraton of "55v66v77v" method. Thanks snexwang!
Hi TL,
I was searching through the forum trying to find if there are people already made this, but I could not find a poll that discusses this issue. There are a lot of similar threads on this topic, but I just want to see the distribution of different zerg player using different inject methods.
Before we proceed with the poll, I would like to have my own summary of types of inject methods. I am not going to say the advantage/disadvantage of various methods, because it should be very clear in people's minds.
1. "55v66v77v" Style
+ Show Spoiler +As the title suggests, this method binds individual queens to separate hotkeys, and whenever an inject is needed, all you have to do is to spam "55v - click, 66v - click, ..." and inject all the hatcheries where the queens are located. This process can be very quick if you hit the "v" key with your thumb: On March 27 2012 19:03 snexwang wrote:I will demonstrate in the image below. + Show Spoiler + Professional Players that use this style:EG.IdrA, QxG.Destiny
2. Backspace Style
+ Show Spoiler +This style utilizes the "base camera" hotkey, originally bound to Backspace by default. Originally people bind all queens to hotkey 0, then when it comes to inject, the following key sequence will take place: 0 (select all queen) -> right shift + v (press v with your pinky) -> press backspace - click, backspace - click, ..., while holding right shift people have a lot of variations to this method, such as rebinding the base camera hotkey to space/tab/tilde(~) key, or rebinding the whole inject sequence to the F-keys ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315549) With a combination of Hold Position/Stop hotkey (H or S), you can stop the queens from going everywhere on the map if you don't have enough queens on hatcheries. Professional Players that use this style:ItsGoSu.ViBE, vile.Spanishiwa, Liquid.TLO
3. Hardcore Style
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The reason why I call this method "hardcore" style is because you don't hotkey the queens at all (or not using them even with them hotkeyed), and you proceed by moving the cameras to each hatchery, and proceed with the injects by boxing the queen(s) next to the hatch(es), then hit v, and click on the hatch(es) to inject. It is actually surprisingly popular, especially amongst the Korean professional players.
There are various methods to navigate ourselves to different hatcheries, such as individual hatch hotkeys (Liquid.Zenio), Base Cameras (not sure who is using this, maybe Millennium.Stephano, it is hard to tell this one on pro streams), or even custom camera hotkey to the hatches (TSL.Revival)
Professional Players that use this style:
Millennium.Stephano, and almost all Korean professional zerg players
There are some other inject styles not listed here, such as minimap inject, because I have not seen them use often amongst the pros, so I am just going to categorize them as "Other". If you think it is necessary to put a separate poll option to some of the methods, please let me know.
Now comes the poll!
Poll: Which style of injection method do you use?Backspace Style (468) 30% "55v66v77v" Style (462) 30% Hardcore Style (453) 29% Other Styles (minimap inject, etc.) (178) 11% 1561 total votes Your vote: Which style of injection method do you use? (Vote): "55v66v77v" Style
(Vote): Backspace Style
(Vote): Hardcore Style
(Vote): Other Styles (minimap inject, etc.)
I think something related to this poll will be how you manage your larvae/hatcheries and how you navigate your camera to different hatcheries when you inject/macro, and how many queens you use in a game:
Poll: How do you manage your larvae/hatcheries?1 hotkey for all hatcheries (788) 74% Individual hotkeys with a hotkey for all hatcheries (230) 22% Individual hotkeys with nearby hatcheries (bind macro hatches with the nearby expo hatch) (35) 3% Other (16) 1% 1069 total votes Your vote: How do you manage your larvae/hatcheries? (Vote): Individual hotkeys with a hotkey for all hatcheries
(Vote): 1 hotkey for all hatcheries
(Vote): Individual hotkeys with nearby hatcheries (bind macro hatches with the nearby expo hatch)
(Vote): Other
Poll: How do you navigate to different hatcheries during inject/macro?Base camera hotkey (backspace) (349) 36% with individual queen hotkey (218) 22% Custom camera hotkeys (F2 F3 F4 etc.) (172) 18% Other (123) 13% with individual hatch hotkey (112) 11% 974 total votes Your vote: How do you navigate to different hatcheries during inject/macro? (Vote): with individual hatch hotkey
(Vote): with individual queen hotkey
(Vote): Base camera hotkey (backspace)
(Vote): Custom camera hotkeys (F2 F3 F4 etc.)
(Vote): Other
Poll: How many queens do you make in a game (mainly injection queens)?3 to 4 (usually no more than 4) (530) 54% 1 per hatch (373) 38% Other (85) 9% 988 total votes Your vote: How many queens do you make in a game (mainly injection queens)? (Vote): 3 to 4 (usually no more than 4)
(Vote): 1 per hatch
(Vote): Other
Thank you so much! I am looking forward to the results.
If you have any concerns, comments, discussions, please do that!
TODO:
maybe add TL thread links to the inject method described
add more inject method if possible
taking suggestions
gl hf <3
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never thought about using hold position in combination with backspace style...I'll try that out.
usually get about 5 queens by 3 base against anything but zerg
1 to always spread creep
1 preemptively walk to 4th while spreading creep
5 also keeps me safe via either voidray or banshee harass.
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I generally use the backspace method, for no other reason than it just feels more comfortable for me.
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On March 16 2012 07:42 Innovation wrote:
never thought about using hold position in combination with backspace style...I'll try that out.
usually get about 5 queens by 3 base against anything but zerg
1 to always spread creep
1 preemptively walk to 4th while spreading creep
5 also keeps me safe via either voidray or banshee harass.
Yeah I learned this from ViBE's stream over the summer last year. It is a very fun way to do it.
Another reason why I want to have this poll is because I am thinking about changing from backspace method to the hardcore method, that way I don't have to worry about the queens flying everywhere in the late game and I don't have to make one queen per hatch (I make 4 queens ZvT and 3 queens ZvP early game which will keep me safe from air assault and hellions and guarantees the creep spread)
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I do them all really, it just depends.
Backspace method is great if your hatcheries are close together, but if you are doing any sort of Muta strat with bases spread all over, its no good. Minimap clicking is good for that.
I open 4Q against terran and generally sit on those queens the whole game, by the time you have 5+ hatcheries and 4 queens you don't have to macro perfectly anymore, you just make extra macro hatcheries to catch up/create a larva bank to instantly remax.
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For me i changed the "base cam" to space. So all I need to do when injecting is "4-v-space-click-space-click-" seems more comfortable for me compared to using backspace.
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/sigh
YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations).
Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click
Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1
Camera location hotkeys is this stuff:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2f39Y.png)
I set camera location hotkeys so I can navigate between my bases extremely easily, eg if there is a helion drop I can just 'F1' (go to main), grab my drones, and hit F2 (my expo) and right click them on minerals. If there is harassment at my third I just hit 'F3' and I'm there. Furthermore, I can use the camera hotkeys to make injecting extremely easy, as I just:
Select all queens
[hold shift] + inject
f1 click, f2 click, f3 click, f4 click
Very easy, very quick, and 100% reliable at any stage of the game. If I have a macro hatch I will usually put it adjacent to one of my other hatches, so I just throw in an extra click. The only downside is that you must set up the camera locations yourself, but there's loads of time to do this at the start of the game (and you want to use camera hotkeys ANYWAY because they're great).
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On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:/sigh YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations). Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 02:10 Hairy wrote:The "bind individual queens to hotkeys" method: 5, 5, v, click, 6, 6, v, click, 7, 7, v, click, 8, 8, v, click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 16
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 4A better method: Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1
Yes I did, at least for the hatch navigation part.
It is a variation from the hardcore style I mentioned above.
Got you covered bro.
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All inject queens on hotkey 6, main hatch 8, all others 7. Minimap inject timing by in game clock, the disadvantage being when theyre not synced to start with I will lose time on one or two while they sync up,from then on it's easy.
I have nightmares when hatcheries are cut off from each other unfortunately, having to set multiple waypoints for spawning units but I keep overriding them out of habit  .
However I think the camera location has more merit as it is more efficient for the other reasons when you need to get to a hatchery quickly and creates good habits, so something I'm looking at learning.
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I use:
- Backspace inject
- One hotkey for all hatcheries
- base camera to move while injecting
Also, TLO uses backspace injection style.
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On March 16 2012 08:06 lhr0909 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:/sigh YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations). On March 07 2012 02:10 Hairy wrote:The "bind individual queens to hotkeys" method: 5, 5, v, click, 6, 6, v, click, 7, 7, v, click, 8, 8, v, click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 16
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 4A better method: Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1 Yes I did, at least for the hatch navigation part. It is a variation from the hardcore style I mentioned above. Got you covered bro.
Not really. The 'hardcore' method does not describe the above method, and fails to take into account you can keybind all your queens and [shift+inject] for extremely fast and reliable injects. Anyone reading your description assumes you must manually select queens, which is laborious.
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On March 16 2012 08:11 Hairy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:06 lhr0909 wrote:On March 16 2012 08:03 Hairy wrote:/sigh YET ANOTHER larvae inject thread that successfully manages to ignore probably the most efficient method (injecting using saved camera locations to bounce between locations). On March 07 2012 02:10 Hairy wrote:The "bind individual queens to hotkeys" method: 5, 5, v, click, 6, 6, v, click, 7, 7, v, click, 8, 8, v, click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 16
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 4A better method: Keybind your queens on one hotkey.
Keybind four camera location hotkeys. This also convenient for general navigation!
My hotkeys are:
F1, F2, F3, F4 for camera locations
'4' for all queens
'e' for inject (4->e is very easy)
To inject do:
4, e, [hold shift], F1 click, F2 click, F3 click, F4 click Actions required for 4 hatcheries: 11
Hotkeys required for 4 hatcheries: 1 Yes I did, at least for the hatch navigation part. It is a variation from the hardcore style I mentioned above. Got you covered bro. Not really. The 'hardcore' method does not describe the above method, and fails to take into account you can keybind all your queens and [shift+inject] for extremely fast and reliable injects. Anyone reading your description assumes you must manually select queens, which is laborious.
Then I am wondering why are all the Korean pros are not hotkeying the queens if it is that laborious to box and click. :D
Have a nice day sir. Cannot make everybody happy, and I am not arguing with you that this is a distinct style, in my eyes it is a mix between Backspace and hardcore style. stephano box and click as well while he has the queens hotkeyed. Rarely see him use the hotkeys tho.
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On March 16 2012 08:10 kaluro wrote:
I use:
- Backspace inject
- One hotkey for all hatcheries
- base camera to move while injecting
Also, TLO uses backspace injection style.
Just put TLO in the thread. Thanks!
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When I play zerg (which is mid-master level at best) I use hardcore method-- I don't hotkey queens. Injects are definitely not what's holding my Z back.
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On March 16 2012 07:50 darkscream wrote:
I do them all really, it just depends.
Backspace method is great if your hatcheries are close together, but if you are doing any sort of Muta strat with bases spread all over, its no good. Minimap clicking is good for that.
I open 4Q against terran and generally sit on those queens the whole game, by the time you have 5+ hatcheries and 4 queens you don't have to macro perfectly anymore, you just make extra macro hatcheries to catch up/create a larva bank to instantly remax.
Why is the backspace method worse if your hatcheries are farther apart? Seems to me I that the distance between hatches makes no difference when you're just hitting backspace (or another key, I remapped alt to be the next hatchery key so that i can hit shift+alt repeatedly) to instantly shift the camera to another hatch. Are you assuming a number of queens less than the number of hatches? Then yes, I could see some queens getting stuck travelling all over the place. If that is what you meant I'd just rephrase your answer to say the "backspace" method is best when #Queens=#hatch, other scenarios take more inject micro.
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More PRO zergs need to start hotkeying their eggs that are producing army units.
Its seems far better because you don't have bad rallies and your units reinforce faster.
Why don't more people do it?
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lol at hardcore mode  I think 567 is the best way because backspace is faster, but can send queens roaming around the map.
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On March 16 2012 08:39 dsousa wrote:
More PRO zergs need to start hotkeying their eggs that are producing army units.
Its seems far better because you don't have bad rallies and your units reinforce faster.
Why don't more people do it?
Stephano does it sometimes and I think Destiny may too. It might be to not let new units run through enemy lines if its positional problematic? idk tbh.
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On March 16 2012 08:40 BoondockVeritas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:39 dsousa wrote:
More PRO zergs need to start hotkeying their eggs that are producing army units.
Its seems far better because you don't have bad rallies and your units reinforce faster.
Why don't more people do it? Stephano does it sometimes and I think Destiny may too. It might be to not let new units run through enemy lines if its positional problematic? idk tbh.
Stephano does it all the time, but he's the only one I've seen do it. I've heard Nestea started doing it as well, but I haven't seen for myself. I guess you only notice if you watch from the players view.
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I used to do the shift backspace style, but when I hotkeyed the queens to 4 and it ~ then two things would eventually happen in a long game.
1. My queens start to go nuts. (we all can attest to this)
2. Using tilde and having all the queens bound I would end up fat fingering '1' while holding the shift trying to cycle through all my hatcheries in the late game. Of course I wouldn't notice until I had 5-6 queens nowhere near their hatches, but instead hanging next to my army. (I use '1' for army)
So I started to play without hotkeying the queens at all. Just tilde, grab - v
Works great for me. No fat fignering, no mistakes.
It really is just as easy. Even if you box the whole screen the queens always end up first in your group, so you don't need pro-style selecting when doing it. Saves me from mucking things up lategame.
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