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Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
March 26 2012 21:32 GMT
#61
I hotkey all my hatches individually(from 5 to 0), no all hatch control group, BW stlye :D, i also use camera hotkeys on 4 of my bases.

I like that that using this makes you "work" more instead of just going 4sdddddddddddddd, you have alot of control of your rally points and there is no time wasted on a drone/unit coming from a very far hatch. Im alot more focused and i get a nice apm boost <3.
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lhr0909
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States562 Posts
March 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#62
On March 16 2012 10:39 FabledIntegral wrote:
I really dislike the topic as it assumes people all use some complex method. I don't hotkey my queens. I just scroll on the minimap between hatches and manually select my queen then inject. T_T



scrolling is bad tho... x.x

do you use any other methods to navigate around the bases while you inject other than scrolling?
No Pain No Gain
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
March 26 2012 22:26 GMT
#63
backspace or hardcore style
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
Qxz
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 01:39:14
March 27 2012 01:38 GMT
#64
Just a question to users of the 55v66v77v method: which finger do you use to press v? I find that the only finger I could keep on v while tapping 5 6 and 7 is the 4th (or 5th, but 5th is difficult to use I find), but it's very incomfortable. Alternatively I could use the 3rd finger for both the hotkeys and v, but that is definitely slower than backspace inject.

I feel like 55v66v77v is in theory best, but since it's so incomfortable I stick with backspace inject.
doss
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada137 Posts
March 27 2012 02:12 GMT
#65
On March 27 2012 06:32 Guamshin wrote:
I hotkey all my hatches individually(from 5 to 0), no all hatch control group, BW stlye :D, i also use camera hotkeys on 4 of my bases.

I like that that using this makes you "work" more instead of just going 4sdddddddddddddd, you have alot of control of your rally points and there is no time wasted on a drone/unit coming from a very far hatch. Im alot more focused and i get a nice apm boost <3.


I'm sorry but that's probably one of the most foolish things you could possibly do. Why wouldn't you do a task more efficiently if you can? Making injects and building units five times harder than it should be, is so anti-bw philosophy.
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Msrobinson
Profile Joined October 2010
United States138 Posts
March 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#66
I don't know if any professional zergs click the minimap and use that to go to their base to inject. They all use hotkeys, I think Stephano uses camera keys to quickly go to bases. I do that as well. F1 to main base, box queen, inject. Rinse and repeat for bases necessary.
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Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
March 27 2012 02:31 GMT
#67
On March 27 2012 06:32 Guamshin wrote:
I hotkey all my hatches individually(from 5 to 0), no all hatch control group, BW stlye :D, i also use camera hotkeys on 4 of my bases.

I like that that using this makes you "work" more instead of just going 4sdddddddddddddd, you have alot of control of your rally points and there is no time wasted on a drone/unit coming from a very far hatch. Im alot more focused and i get a nice apm boost <3.


If you have camera locations for your bases already, why have them individually assigned as control groups ? You could simply use the camera key and click on the hatch if you want to use those specific larvae. That would free you up some control groups and speed up your production, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.
NachiMe
Profile Joined November 2011
250 Posts
March 27 2012 02:37 GMT
#68
On March 27 2012 10:38 Qxz wrote:
Just a question to users of the 55v66v77v method: which finger do you use to press v? I find that the only finger I could keep on v while tapping 5 6 and 7 is the 4th (or 5th, but 5th is difficult to use I find), but it's very incomfortable. Alternatively I could use the 3rd finger for both the hotkeys and v, but that is definitely slower than backspace inject.

I feel like 55v66v77v is in theory best, but since it's so incomfortable I stick with backspace inject.

I use middle finger on 5/6/7 and index on v. You have to angle your hand a bit sideways but I'm used to it.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 27 2012 02:43 GMT
#69
hardcore+individual hatch

thinking of switching because im finding that since im using all 10 hotkeys i'm starting to need more room for different hotkeys, so idunno. I have 5 hatch buttons (one of them being select all) and 5 misc ones (such as army or creep queen)

I'm wanting to hotkey evos etc etc so I'm not sure what to do. I think the best way of doing it is having a mental timer of 40 ingame seconds to camera back to your bases to inject along with hardcore, to minimize hotkeys needed with the same amount of efficiency
insourcecertainty
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States142 Posts
March 27 2012 02:45 GMT
#70
I bind every Hatch to a hotkey then late game bind them all to 0. Brood War style.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
March 27 2012 03:04 GMT
#71
Can anyone tell me how players, (and i know this is a very popular method) Inject using 55v66v77v method?

Man this just looks odd. For instance im assuming that you use your middle finger to double click the 5, then you index finger to click the V. but as you get further and further away from 5 this becomes harder and harder due to the angle.

For reference, i do something that i find to be far more comfortable how ever no one uses this fingering. 11v22v33v44v
Ring for 1 and 2, Middle for 3, and 4. and i almost forgot i switched the queen inject to F. So really more like 11f22f33f44f.

Btw Do people who use the 55v66v77v method, move around the map via hotkeys? I mean my queen hotkeys aren't only useful for injecting, i also use them to flip my screen to my bases quickly. And unlike the base camera i can go direct to a particular base. there i rarely have to click on the minimap to look at anything on my side of the map because of this.

This is also the main reason i struggle to play Terran or Toss (as well as i play Zerg), because i feel i don't really have as much "camera mobility"

Thanks
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tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
March 27 2012 03:12 GMT
#72
I've rebound base camera to tilde, but I never have the presence of mind to hold down shift, so whenever I inject everything at once I just go 2`v(click)`v(click)`v(click)`v(click). I should probably do something more efficient, but I tend to inject one hatchery really fast then go back to microing, almost like a twitch. Doing it this way also makes it easier to babysit your queens because you're less on autopilot trying to recall keystrokes and more situationally aware, deciding if you can actually inject at the current location before moving on.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
March 27 2012 06:53 GMT
#73
On March 27 2012 11:37 NachiMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 10:38 Qxz wrote:
Just a question to users of the 55v66v77v method: which finger do you use to press v? I find that the only finger I could keep on v while tapping 5 6 and 7 is the 4th (or 5th, but 5th is difficult to use I find), but it's very incomfortable. Alternatively I could use the 3rd finger for both the hotkeys and v, but that is definitely slower than backspace inject.

I feel like 55v66v77v is in theory best, but since it's so incomfortable I stick with backspace inject.

I use middle finger on 5/6/7 and index on v. You have to angle your hand a bit sideways but I'm used to it.

Why not change the 'v' key to 'u', or similar, that would be far easier to press. Or put it on a mouse button. When people say the 'backspace' method we don't literally mean everyone should use the backspace key to cycle base cameras, and when people say the "55v66v77v88v" method what they really mean is they individually hotkey queens to inject and navigate. It doesn't mean those hotkeys are set in stone.

These inject threads frustrate me, because people insist on using whatever old crappy inject method they use anyway regardless of evidence that indicates there are superior methods. And then they tell everyone of how "good" their method is because they did something REVOLUTIONARY like *gasp* changing the hotkeys. It gets a bit tiresome
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 08:38:38
March 27 2012 08:38 GMT
#74
On March 27 2012 11:37 NachiMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 10:38 Qxz wrote:
Just a question to users of the 55v66v77v method: which finger do you use to press v? I find that the only finger I could keep on v while tapping 5 6 and 7 is the 4th (or 5th, but 5th is difficult to use I find), but it's very incomfortable. Alternatively I could use the 3rd finger for both the hotkeys and v, but that is definitely slower than backspace inject.

I feel like 55v66v77v is in theory best, but since it's so incomfortable I stick with backspace inject.

I use middle finger on 5/6/7 and index on v. You have to angle your hand a bit sideways but I'm used to it.

You can always change the V key to something else (say W since you hardly play protoss right ? :D) So that your hand can type them faster. 66w77w88w99w is perfect for me

Edit : fuk didn't read the last post. I apologize.
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
March 27 2012 08:41 GMT
#75
If im not mistaken from watching stephano play he doesnt use camera hotkeys. He left click on the location of the hatch and then press 3 (his queen hotkey) to inject. Sometimes he doesnt hotkey the queen for that base and just inject by clicking on the minimap for the location of the hatchery and then select the queen. This is how his map awareness is so great because he stare at the minimap for most of the game.
Kaleidos
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy172 Posts
March 27 2012 08:49 GMT
#76
On March 27 2012 10:38 Qxz wrote:
Just a question to users of the 55v66v77v method: which finger do you use to press v? I find that the only finger I could keep on v while tapping 5 6 and 7 is the 4th (or 5th, but 5th is difficult to use I find), but it's very incomfortable. Alternatively I could use the 3rd finger for both the hotkeys and v, but that is definitely slower than backspace inject.

I feel like 55v66v77v is in theory best, but since it's so incomfortable I stick with backspace inject.


I rebinded inject to spacebar pressing it with thumb finger. Actually rebinded most common abilities (fungal, drop, etc. ..) to spacebar as well.
DoT_TL
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore47 Posts
March 27 2012 08:50 GMT
#77
i do shift v with tilde, which is the backspace injection style =) early stages though i jus do 55 66.
i do 5 for main hatch and 6 for all other hatches, so that i can get back to my main with 55 which is where most of my buildings are, and i use 6 to do the upgrades like burrow, overlord speed, extra queens. thisis to make sure that my main hatch(5) is not doing anything so i can get it to lair/ hive anytime i wan without cancelling stuff =)
Chinesewonder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
March 27 2012 09:09 GMT
#78
I'm actually thinking of switching to the hardcore style. I use the backspace, but it gets complicated when you have more hatches than queens.
Drunita
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark3 Posts
March 27 2012 09:36 GMT
#79
Actually just made an account to respond to this, never thought I would actually need one, but ohwell...

I really don't see the major issue with using either 55v66v77v, hardcore or backspace, but I will however say, that from my own experience, I've used all the methods, or atleast tried at the skill level of which I am capable of, but the Hardcore method seems not to be very freindly to players who is not aware of the general timings of injects and doesn't have the apm to actually support doing all of that on your own while controlling your army.

Maybe this is just me, iunno, but for lower league, or low APM players, i find backspace / 55v66v77v more usefull, just due to the amount of APM and focus it takes compared to hardcore method.
Other than that, great initiative on making the thread ^_^
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
March 27 2012 09:41 GMT
#80
On March 27 2012 05:50 AveSharia wrote:
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On March 17 2012 01:55 Kaitlin wrote:
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On March 17 2012 01:27 kaluro wrote:
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On March 16 2012 17:42 Tobberoth wrote:
I use the Darkgrid method. It's without a doubt the best method since it's just as fast as backspace inject, but with way more control, you only inject the hatches you want to inject, and in the order you want to inject them, so there's no queens running around or any other BS.


This clearly shows that you're promoting a method while throwing another one in the dirt for no reason.
With the backspace inject method, you use S at the end of your cycle so that your queens hold ground.


But using 'S' at the end of the inject cycle to prevent wandering queens doesn't resolve the issue that the hatches those wandering queens were on their way to go uninjected. I'm not pew-pew'ing the Backspace method, I use it partially as well, but it's still a problem.


I might be missing something about DarkGrid, but is there something about that inject method that injects hatches with no queens nearby? I mean I just assume that if I want a hatch injected, I have to have a queen for it.

No, you can't inject hatches where you don't have queens, obviously. Darkgrid lets you control this since you're only jumping between bases where you have queens, while the backspace method just says "screw you" and makes you try to inject them even if you can't, leading to the "stop" issues.
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