[D/H]Is it possible to win macro games in TvP? - Page 8

On February 24 2012 01:15 moregamethanSEGA wrote:
Just for the record, this single replay sums up everything in this thread (and my own posts) quite nicely:

http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls1/vod/66860/?set=1

enjoy.

On February 24 2012 01:23 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Have Terran's been experimenting with mech?
Have they been experimenting with any other units apart from MMMG?

The answer to the questions is all no, obviously.

On February 24 2012 01:23 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Has TvP actually been developed AT ALL since the beta?
Has the Terran been doing the same thing since the beta?
Have Terran's been experimenting with mech?
Have they been experimenting with any other units apart from MMMG?
Do Terran players actually harass properly or have timing attacks to give them an advantage going into lategame?

The answer to the questions is all no, obviously.

On February 24 2012 01:23 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Has TvP actually been developed AT ALL since the beta?
Has the Terran been doing the same thing since the beta?
Have Terran's been experimenting with mech?
Have they been experimenting with any other units apart from MMMG?
Do Terran players actually harass properly or have timing attacks to give them an advantage going into lategame?

The answer to the questions is all no, obviously.

On February 24 2012 04:55 Acritter wrote:
I believe there is still some room left for Terran to develop, especially in the realm of Reapers and Ravens. You know how Terrans will get a third Starport to pump out Vikings to deal with Colossi? That could be given a Tech Lab to squeeze out a Raven, which would in turn make it much easier for Vikings to survive Stalkers.

I'd like to give the game a little more time before pinning this lategame as "unwinnable". It was only very recently that lategame PvT became winnable, in part because of a Blizzard patch that reduced the incredible AOE on EMP.

On February 24 2012 04:20 Zorgaz wrote:


Amazed you can be so ignorant, Terran players have tried countless tactics since beta.

Ever heard of Goody? He played mech against P for over a year before he decided bio was better.

Ever read Warden's build, or the countless other skymech build that have been posted on the forums.

The answer to the questions is all no, obviously.

On February 24 2012 06:23 roymarthyup wrote:
i think reapers need a lategame TvP buff in terms of production

if terran could, say, INSTANTLY turn their 1000 gas into 20 reapers to deal with the mass chargelot after a battle, that would help immensely.


even if it requires fusion core it would be viable. I dunno what im asking for

maybe actually give the fusion core an ability called "spawn 5 reapers" and it costs 250/250 and instantly spawns 5 reapers

On February 24 2012 01:23 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Has TvP actually been developed AT ALL since the beta?
Has the Terran been doing the same thing since the beta?
Have Terran's been experimenting with mech?
Have they been experimenting with any other units apart from MMMG?
Do Terran players actually harass properly or have timing attacks to give them an advantage going into lategame?

The answer to the questions is all no, obviously.

On February 24 2012 05:52 ProxyKnoxy wrote:


You use the word countless far too often. There are a FEW builds of actual significance, and I don't think you can really judge mech until it's in the hands of a top Terran (aka not Goody).

This is a metagame thing, of course you will figure something out and you'd be a dumbass to think otherwise. Of course David Kim will listen to whatever balance complains people have because they don't seem to understand what a meta game is.

Even now, a raven still isn't in common use, and Terran's complain that they lose all their vikings and can't deal with tech changes.

Why not add thors into the army? They can cause feedbacks instead of storms (still soak up storms pretty well), act as a sort of forcefield against chargelots etc. I dunno man that's just an example but the amount of experimental play by Terran is piss poor and you can't complain until you have explored a lot of the options (which you haven't).

glhf

On February 19 2012 18:45 Feverus wrote:
Stop.

Step back.

You're not playing against Puzzle, Genius, Parting, or Brown.

Let me repeat that. You are not playing against good players with excellent macro, tactics, and defense who only make some mistakes. You are playing against relatively atrocious players who fail at every single aspect of the game - and this also applies to the top NA GMs, let alone the diamonds you're matched with. Even if the matchup is broken, you can still win.

Just get calm and comfortable and improve your own play; try to fix some of the innumerable mistakes you find in it (if you can't find them, that's your first big problem).

Some thoughts based on watching game #20:

Your bunker feels late. I'm surprised you aren't losing lots of games to stalker pressure. High level players who go with a late bunker like that probably rely on micro to survive.

Hide your scv further away. Just because it doesn't get scouted most games by bad players doesn't mean you have found a good spot. You can't rely on just hoping throwing down 3 bunkers will stop whatever the P does when you have no idea what he's doing! With no info on him, you should have scanned.

At 8:20, you've let him bully you into staying on 3 raxes with 1 addon and your factory just barely started and no engineering bay. Your early economic lead is rendered impotent as he tears you apart; you were up workers, then a little later he has another 10 workers, is at 56 and and you haven't built any.

OH GOD. 7 vikings is not enough against 4 colossus. Try 12 or more. You need enough your vikings can kill colo without your bio getting butchered, and as you can clearly see that is not happening.

You're at 42 workers against 72! LKDFJSLDKJFSLDF.