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Hartigan
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom12 Posts
February 18 2012 22:00 GMT
#101
It's been 13 days since the OP, HardCorey, I don't think this is 'widespread'.

Besides; the zerg army can't really hurt a careful terran who continues to deny creep spread and a 3rd once the big reveal has been made. They will pre-occupy their time getting either corruptors or hydra - rarely do they go for enough Mutalisks. The worst you can expect for 3 mins after reveal is an effective surprise counter attack while your army sits near his base repairing or re-enforcing. You can also compliment the pressure with Viking overlord harass; or buildings local to the zerg (e.g. bunker/turret pressure) provided you watch for nydus or muta packs.
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
February 18 2012 23:00 GMT
#102
The only thing that makes this build better is to proxy the fusion core. Put it one of the other mains and your opponent will be shocked when he notices them ain't banshees killing his drones.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 20 2012 03:45 GMT
#103
So just saw Rainbow do this on his stream as a replay, one base BC into mass blue flame hellion for map control then added on tanks and thors. Was ahead the entire game, I think i am going to try this out sometime. It just seems weak to some kind of roach ling baneling bust but who knows
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dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
March 10 2012 12:23 GMT
#104
On February 20 2012 12:45 FinestHour wrote:
So just saw Rainbow do this on his stream as a replay, one base BC into mass blue flame hellion for map control then added on tanks and thors. Was ahead the entire game, I think i am going to try this out sometime. It just seems weak to some kind of roach ling baneling bust but who knows


Agreed about the roach/ling/bling bust part. I have a hard time seeing the BC kill stuff fast enough for you to survive. The Z should be able to just bust down your front door and kill your from inside, ignoring the BC hiting his forces.


Cheers
Dan
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LiLSighKoh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States588 Posts
March 11 2012 17:31 GMT
#105
Would this be viable not close air spawn?
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DoctorFunk
Profile Joined September 2011
160 Posts
March 11 2012 18:10 GMT
#106
On March 12 2012 02:31 LiLSighKoh wrote:
Would this be viable not close air spawn?

I think so, just not as good. My initial bc usually hardly does any direct damage other than a queen or two and forcing a lot of spores and hopefully something stupid like hydras. That being said, it's very nice to be reckless with the bc, do a bunch of damage, pull it back, repair, repeat, and so on.
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
March 11 2012 19:47 GMT
#107
You can also proxy the port if you are a baller! xD
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
March 11 2012 19:55 GMT
#108
On March 12 2012 04:47 dotDash wrote:
You can also proxy the port if you are a baller! xD

That could work well on Metropolis if you lift it to one of the islands, since it wouldn't delay the BC too much, though it has a possibility of being scouted by an overlord. Perhaps at one of the corners.....

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The reason I'm bringing up Metropolis is because of the recent poll from Blizzard about adding in GSL maps to ladder, and Metropolis is second, with Daybreak in first place.
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crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
March 12 2012 14:14 GMT
#109
This is my new cheese of choice! It's hilarious how Zerg players respond to this build when they see it.

They initially say "wow, you're making BCs?" When I arrive at their base, they have made ~30 Hydras and nothing else. GG. So far 4/4 wins in low master league!
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Twisted450
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 15:57:50
March 12 2012 15:55 GMT
#110
i played against this build today two times in a row and i held it with spores+4 queens and infestor, but they also had a couple of banshees with cloak mixed in. but yes it is a really good build against zerg because they just don't know how to respond.
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
March 12 2012 20:44 GMT
#111
On March 13 2012 00:55 Twisted450 wrote:
i played against this build today two times in a row and i held it with spores+4 queens and infestor, but they also had a couple of banshees with cloak mixed in. but yes it is a really good build against zerg because they just don't know how to respond.


Cloak banshees are probably a waaaaay too big investment and will either cut out the tanks entirely or delay the attack by way to long time. Proper response is however as you said, few spores to survive and couple of queens.. do NOT overreact to the BCs basically.


Cheers
Dan
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Saggitarus
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia2 Posts
March 12 2012 23:24 GMT
#112
On February 06 2012 14:30 krooked wrote:
I tried it close by air on meta. Won easily and I got a lot of hate from the opponent. I don't like to get yelled out so won't be using it much more


Getting yelled at is the best part
dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
March 14 2012 06:06 GMT
#113
On March 13 2012 08:24 Saggitarus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 14:30 krooked wrote:
I tried it close by air on meta. Won easily and I got a lot of hate from the opponent. I don't like to get yelled out so won't be using it much more


Getting yelled at is the best part


Imo they have no right to get mad when killed by BCs! ^^
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sep121
Profile Joined February 2012
United States11 Posts
March 14 2012 07:15 GMT
#114
On February 06 2012 09:38 TranceKuja wrote:
I am surpised that Idra did not react better. He scouted fusion core while it was building.


this. i dont play terran or zerg, but it looked like with getting that solid scout in he could have dropped a baneling nest, busted the front and owned everything inside. suiciding a second overlord would have given him enough info on how viable that would have been which was (very) at the beginning where there were close to no marines or tanks.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 14 2012 10:29 GMT
#115
On March 12 2012 04:55 Fencer710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 04:47 dotDash wrote:
You can also proxy the port if you are a baller! xD

That could work well on Metropolis if you lift it to one of the islands, since it wouldn't delay the BC too much, though it has a possibility of being scouted by an overlord. Perhaps at one of the corners.....

+ Show Spoiler +
The reason I'm bringing up Metropolis is because of the recent poll from Blizzard about adding in GSL maps to ladder, and Metropolis is second, with Daybreak in first place.


There's creep on these islands.
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MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
March 14 2012 10:43 GMT
#116
My standard infestor/ling/bling shut this down pretty easy, but my opponent's control was hilariously poor. I don't think he was used to micro-ing BCs lololol. Mass muta/mass hydra is like the worst thing you could do, just go nuts with spines/spores/queens. This is sooooo all-in by terran, just hold any way possible.

Own the ground army first!
kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
April 05 2012 10:40 GMT
#117
can you write up a Battlecruiser rush guide for TvP too? never seen a replay or VOD of that yet butI imagine it would be funny to see how protoss would react to that focusing 100% on the BC while you get a bio or mech army behind it.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
April 05 2012 12:58 GMT
#118
im going to try this today with some practice partners and see how it goes, thanks haha
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iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
April 05 2012 14:38 GMT
#119
On April 05 2012 19:40 c_kAelle wrote:
can you write up a Battlecruiser rush guide for TvP too? never seen a replay or VOD of that yet butI imagine it would be funny to see how protoss would react to that focusing 100% on the BC while you get a bio or mech army behind it.


It's not anywhere near as good for P since they can just produce slightly more stalkers instead of zealots. Z is forced to commit to early game AA where P gets it by default.
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dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
April 05 2012 14:48 GMT
#120
On April 05 2012 23:38 iKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 19:40 c_kAelle wrote:
can you write up a Battlecruiser rush guide for TvP too? never seen a replay or VOD of that yet butI imagine it would be funny to see how protoss would react to that focusing 100% on the BC while you get a bio or mech army behind it.


It's not anywhere near as good for P since they can just produce slightly more stalkers instead of zealots. Z is forced to commit to early game AA where P gets it by default.


It could work in some funky 1-1-1 though, as mentioned earlier in this thread (I believe).

Cheers
Dan
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