EPT[G] Zerg Guide to Macro-Aggression - Page 5
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Disarm22
United States151 Posts
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zoohairZ
Canada254 Posts
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hysterial
United States2044 Posts
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
On January 09 2012 07:37 Catgroove wrote: Yes! The best way to improve is to take the easy route, right? Don't play to win, play to get better. One base allins won't make you better (well, to some extent it will, but if you really wanna improve and improve fast you should not do it). That is not correct, I four gated until I got to Platinum, then I abruptly stopped because it stopped working. I did teach me mechanics and micro, now I am high in Diamond and I never do any all-ins. | ||
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Funnyguy17
United States1 Post
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HelixDnB
United States34 Posts
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
On January 11 2012 09:33 zoohairz wrote: Tang, this is coming from me. Im notorious for cheesing almost everyone on the ladder at the GM level. Stop posting crap. Your builds are all either cheesy or all-in (i should know), so stop making threads with misleading titles. You're gonna divert the lower league players who should really be practicing legit standard macro mechanics into people who rely on cheesing and all inning. This may sound hypocritical but the only times i ever cheese is on ladder, i can play a standard macro game too and still beat top level players. Ive got replays to prove it if anyone doesnt believe me either. There is indeed a playstyle that consists of a zerg being aggressive, but this is not it. So stop posting crap. can we please clear the forums of ultratrolls like these, bragging about GM, saying he cheeses all the time, but he can macro as well and is ready to show it? How is this contributing to anything really? Where is all the hate coming from, anyway? Ts that hate to stop macroing like a boss behind his 4 hellions? | ||
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zoohairZ
Canada254 Posts
On January 11 2012 11:37 Morghaine wrote: can we please clear the forums of ultratrolls like these, bragging about GM, saying he cheeses all the time, but he can macro as well and is ready to show it? How is this contributing to anything really? Where is all the hate coming from, anyway? Ts that hate to stop macroing like a boss behind his 4 hellions? You have problems way beyond your ability to comprehend the context of a post. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I was bragging about anything at all. | ||
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NoSlack
United States112 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:17 zoohairz wrote: You have problems way beyond your ability to comprehend the context of a post. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I was bragging about anything at all. Umm.... On January 11 2012 09:33 zoohairz wrote: Tang, this is coming from me. Im notorious for cheesing almost everyone on the ladder at the GM level. ... ... i can play a standard macro game too and still beat top level players. Ive got replays to prove it if anyone doesnt believe me either. ... Sounds like bragging to me... This build will work to a certain level on the ladder. Those masters players probably don't need it, but players like me appreciate the build and it's really got my gears turning in my head. I'm deployed in Afghanistan so I can't ladder because the internet is too slow, but doing it vs the AI is good for practice for when I get back. Usually I just build stuff that I think I need with no real structure or timings. zoohairz I'd be happy to see your guide so I can learn some stuff from it as well. Thanks in advance! | ||
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zoohairZ
Canada254 Posts
edit: i dont do guides, but i do coach, and it doesnt involve teaching people how to all in. GET AT ME. (yes, im being sarcastic.) | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I mean... I'm very certain that at masters+, maybe even diamond nowadays, the DRG style 28 supply roach warren 8-12 roach pressure vs reactor/bf hellion expands, just does not work at all anymore. Terrans realize they can just make a single bunker/marauder/tank, terrans no longer make 10+ hellions from reactor hellion expand (rarely I even see more than 4) and use decent micro, as well as be macro'ing half decently so they don't fall behind or die when they shouldn't. But at bronze, learning what map control means, and why you can take a third so early when you have map control while otherwise you always feel so unsafe, is a great way to improve your game. Like he says in the bronze section make 4 lings. That's suicide to make that many, often times even just opening with 2 is too many. But at bronze, you probably need to be told "dont be making more than 4 lings" rather than "only make 2". This is clearly a lower level guide. I mean... I wouldn't write guides that aren't viable at masters (ie when people macro normally), but the guy is helping people so he's not doing anything wrong. Plus I think he's sort of promoting his coaching stuff, and giving lots of feedback to lower level players. Not everyone is diamond like us bro edit: why are there two guides by this guy of the exact same build? | ||
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snexwang
Australia224 Posts
why are there two guides by this guy of the exact same build? I think, to begin with, he was using that build as an example in his overall guide... but then it seems like it became entirely focused on the build, whether intentional or not.  | ||
whoopingchow
United States293 Posts
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stakiman
Bulgaria42 Posts
 Thanks, master player here. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
Good build Tang, thanks for the post. Unfortunately, the western scene considers themselves too good for aggression before the 10 minute mark. That kind of stuff is for scrubs, not people who... you know... like winning... Stupid cheese... ... :| | ||
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mrGRAPE
Singapore293 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:12 whoopingchow wrote: I'm terran, and I'm just wondering. How do you defend against this? Obviously, siege mode is going to be key, but with 8 roaches at the top of my ramp at 7:15, I may only have a single siege tank sieged up, and if I try to push anytime around that and my units are caught in the open, 32 speedlings are just going to eat through everything. Fast banshees? If I want to get siege tech and banshees, that's going to delay my expansion by a huge amount that I'm just not that comfortable with. Any advice? So far from my experience on the ladder ~Plat level, this push can be scouted for an pre-empted if you poked up with like a marine and find very little lings at his natural. Scan, build a tech lab immediately and a bunker if you're anticipating that the push will be coming and just hold at your ramp. You don't necessarily need siege mode to hold this off. I've played a Terran who held this off even though I broke his wall and killed one supply depot off. He just planted two marauders behind those depots and with pure marine/tank dps managed to repel my attack. Like I said before, this works well against a reactor hellion expand. If you're going 1/1/1 you can hold this off long enough for the Zerg to realize that it's not worth the push up the ramp. | ||
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NoSlack
United States112 Posts
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mrGRAPE
Singapore293 Posts
On January 11 2012 15:35 NoSlack wrote: mrGRAPE when using this on the ladder and getting stopped were you behind in the game? Did you win? That depends. I've honestly won just about as much as I lost, though I think the deciding factor was what both of us were doing during and after the push. Sometimes I lose a little too many roaches and decide to make more in preparation for a counter attack that never came, so I fell behind in economy therefore losing to a mid-late game push. Other times I *think* I'm in a better position in terms of army count and try to get a little greedy by expanding / droning hard during the push only to get rolled over by a 1/1/1 with cloaked banshee timing attack. So... in terms of getting stopped by the Terran player and still winning the game, I think it mostly came down to reading my opponent correctly - whether he was going to play passive as the initial pressure, and whether or not he was going to counter attack soon after the push. Once I have established the correct response from my opponent, then I'd be able to do whatever I need to get ahead - take a 3rd, more spines/roaches, lair tech mutas etc In other times, I completely get caught off guard by early banshees - I never seem to be able to get an evo chamber / spores just soon enough to hold it off. Usually one or two queens would get killed and that would set me back quite a bit. | ||
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Pugsly
United States50 Posts
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COLDbear
United States39 Posts
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