If I have extra min/gas I get adrenal glands, otherwise I don't in ZvT (in ZvZ and ZvP I always get it at Hive tech).

Consider the fact that lings die so quickly, it's rare for a ling to get more than one shot off, two at most. They're not the real damage dealers of your army late game, that's what the infestors/broodlords are for.

If I'm going ling/ultra/infestor composition it's a must though, because in that case the ultras are tanking while the lings provide the dps.

OxyFuel

Canada195 Posts

October 22 2011 21:32 GMT

#42

Wow I never knew that having adrenal glands makes that much of a difference. A lot of the time I forget to upgrade it, but I'm going to try and remember to now.

aderum

Sweden1459 Posts

October 22 2011 21:38 GMT

#43

I guess its b/c its so simple to only think tier 3 units and such things when you finally reach that stage of the game... But clearly zergs should be getting it!

WeddingEpisode

United States356 Posts

October 22 2011 21:42 GMT

#44

There's nothing absolutely nor empirically superior about it; if one should find inspiration in this upgrade then perhaps it could be a means for the build someone has in mind to come together.

guN-viCe

United States687 Posts

October 22 2011 22:16 GMT

#45

There's a reason they're called "cracklings".

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

October 22 2011 22:27 GMT

#46

They're amazing for stopping drops and they absolutely wreck buildings.

ilovelings

Argentina776 Posts

October 22 2011 23:14 GMT

#47

That upgrade is awesome if you are not playing with Broodlords.

mikiao

United States161 Posts

October 22 2011 23:53 GMT

#48

Is adrenal glands better than getting +3 attack?

To my un-Zergy eyes, it would seem that not getting adrenal glands would be like not getting stim for marines.

It makes sense if you're not relying on them to do the majority of damage, but rather to distract and take damage which seems to be the case in a lot of games...you have roachs/mutas/fungal growth to do the damage, the lings are there for fodder.

But I'm terran...so if adrenal glands are good to get versus terran...DON'T GET THEM! :D

Nothingtosay

United States875 Posts

October 23 2011 00:52 GMT

#49

Adrenal glands are necessary versus protoss imo because when you start doing late game ling drops to destroy infrastructure adrenal glands makes it so zerglings beat zealots for cost so protoss can't just warp a few in to crush the lings.

Sporadic44

United States533 Posts

October 23 2011 00:55 GMT

#50

Its the first thing i get from hive tech in a zergling heavy game. Too often pros skip right over it though. The damage increase coupled with +3 is downright insane

Geovu

Estonia1344 Posts

October 23 2011 01:10 GMT

#51

On October 23 2011 08:14 ilovelings wrote:
That upgrade is awesome if you are not playing with Broodlords.

Don't most Zergs support their Broodlords with mass zerglings?

I know I've seen that a lot personally, especially in ZvP

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

October 23 2011 01:24 GMT

#52

you always want the units of your choice upgraded. And since a Zerg using lings is more gas drowned then starved i guess getting this upgrade is a good idea. But since the upgrade isn't even close to what it was in bw people neglected it and wiped it from their mind.
But they forgot that lings were terrible strong compared to their bw buddies from the start, that was why the end had to be weaker.
Lings were since then never considered damage dealers, but then people found out the real damage comes from the broodlings and they started to upgrade melee attack for their broodlings. As a sideeffect they noticed how good lings suddenly are.
A funny way how a ground t1 unit becomes popular because of a flying t3 unit. Don't worry after their recent success upgraded lings will soon become popular. Though right now mutas are the thing again.

xlava

United States676 Posts

October 23 2011 03:07 GMT

#53

On October 22 2011 13:34 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I sometimes wonder what would happen if you broodlings got crack upgrade. It would make the brood lord the worse mother ever as it would be throwing her crack addicted baby suicide bombers.

LOL This is golden.

TangSC

Canada1866 Posts

October 23 2011 07:10 GMT

#54

As terran, how do you kill 250 3/3 Zerglings with adrenal? I think that it would take an insane marine/tank/medivac army in great position or maybe some sort of mass blue flame hellion thor tank style with heavy upgrades. In any event, I'll be incorporating adrenal glands in the late game much more often now

iAmJeffReY

United States4262 Posts

October 23 2011 07:16 GMT

#55

On October 23 2011 16:10 TangSC wrote:
As terran, how do you kill 250 3/3 Zerglings with adrenal? I think that it would take an insane marine/tank/medivac army in great position or maybe some sort of mass blue flame hellion thor tank style with heavy upgrades. In any event, I'll be incorporating adrenal glands in the late game much more often now

Which means... never? Since you never get past 15 minutes?

I've said for ages fast upgraded lings rape face and break the game lol. As a terran, what's 200/200 at that point when you're already on 4+ base. Get the upgrade, just to make a 'base trade' situation faster with sling bling muta.

Run bys are more deadly. You can completely surround and kill a PF rather fast with cracklings, and not even lose them all!

ETisME

12450 Posts

October 23 2011 07:17 GMT

#56

On October 22 2011 17:05 Cyro wrote:

Show nested quote +

We see pro's almost everyday fighting with 100+ lings without adrenal when hive was done 10 minutes ago and they are floating 5k/3k etc

saving up for hive tech units?
just because hive is finished doesn't mean you can get the broodlords+ultras right away

the upgrade is nice and well worth it imo.
But lings alone cannot deal with split map situations with planetary fortress and tanks splitting the map.
I do think that ling drops with adrenalin glands could be extremely amazing in late game through

mizU

United States12125 Posts

October 23 2011 07:34 GMT

#57

The upgrade was crucial in BW... I think people forget about it in SC2...

iDrone

United States176 Posts

October 23 2011 07:42 GMT

#58

for those of you saying trading lings for marines you don't know what you are talking about.
no zerg ever expects to trade zerglings for marines, that is a mistake on the terran part.
the reason pros don't get it is because zerglings are useless lategame besides for counter attacks - the only purpose they serve is to deal splash damage to the terrans units.
talks of trading marines for zerglings is useless because you will almost always have 10+ more zerglings to clean it up than you need.
the 200/200 is a big investment for something that gets off 2 attacks and dies, if that.
the + dmg is for banelings, not zerglings

Nourek

Germany188 Posts

October 23 2011 08:08 GMT

#59

On October 23 2011 08:53 mikiao wrote:
Is adrenal glands better than getting +3 attack?

It depends on the target's armor.

Adrenal glands increases Zergling dps by 18.6%.

+3 Melee vs +2 Melee increases Zergling dps by 1.44. So vs
0 armor: 14.3%
1 armor: 16.7%
2 armor: 20.0%
3 armor: 25.0%
4 armor: 33.3%
5 armor: 50.0%
6 armor: 100.0%

Overall, I'd rather get +3 melee, especially given banelings and ultras. If I can afford it, I'll get both obviously.

That said, Adrenal Glands does research 90s faster (130s vs 220s). Not to be overlooked IMO.

chrisgreg

Canada61 Posts

October 23 2011 11:46 GMT

#60

Nestea would of won if he read this thread before the last game