EPTAnyway, I started playing custom games with my friend who's Platinum now and it's really upped my confidence. We've been playing since I stopped playing 1v1s, and although I never win because he's still so much better than me, I asked him to go each race and do the cheesey bullshit over and over again until I had an answer to every single one. Don't get me wrong; I'll still get cheesed every so often, but I feel so much more confident now. My first game back on the ladder for example, the guy tried to void ray rush me, so I just ran in the back door with some lings and destroyed his entire mineral line and started making hydras, so he just left. So if you have a friend you can be playing with to practice some of this stuff, I can guarantee you won't feel so nervous about playing 1v1s properly again.
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SmoreJack
England7 Posts
Anyway, I started playing custom games with my friend who's Platinum now and it's really upped my confidence. We've been playing since I stopped playing 1v1s, and although I never win because he's still so much better than me, I asked him to go each race and do the cheesey bullshit over and over again until I had an answer to every single one. Don't get me wrong; I'll still get cheesed every so often, but I feel so much more confident now. My first game back on the ladder for example, the guy tried to void ray rush me, so I just ran in the back door with some lings and destroyed his entire mineral line and started making hydras, so he just left. So if you have a friend you can be playing with to practice some of this stuff, I can guarantee you won't feel so nervous about playing 1v1s properly again. | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
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adius
United States249 Posts
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GosuSheep
United States119 Posts
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flyingbangus
United States121 Posts
I started at silver and got promoted to gold after 80ish wins. Probably half of those wins were against your typical common cheesy all-in - proxy gates/barracks, cannon/void ray/banshee/muta rushes, and a few 6-10pools. I've lost my fair share against those, but after I figured out how to identify and react to it, I massed up quite a few wins in one saturday afternoon to get promoted! You know when they say GLHF? The HF part really kicks in when you start winning against those cheeses! I get a lot less cheese now that I'm playing gold and low-plat players, as it seems most of the guys in my skill level are now more interested in timing attacks and macro games. Hell, I recently had a ZvZ where we both opened 14Hatch! Good luck finding that in bronze and silver LOL! | ||
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
On December 23 2010 23:26 Plexa wrote: Aside from the advice given, you just need to make sure you make friends with the people who do give you good games  that way you can keep gaming them later!That is really a great piece of advice there , if u had clan support u could actually make it into a clan by playing a great game with someone or get to know the person a bit . You can talk to him after u played a few games about stuff or maybe play some 2v2 's with him . It is important that u have some kind of friends in a game since without any in game friends I would feel verry isolated in the monstrosity called Battle.net 2.0 . | ||
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English
United States475 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
Once you have a win rate of like 60% you will get out of bronze. | ||
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Kryptix
United States138 Posts
On December 29 2010 06:01 darmousseh wrote: I was in bronze, it was full of cheese. The way i got out was by playing safe macro builds and then hit with a timing attack. For protoss i'd do 2 gate (12 and 14) and then expand once you have enough units out. (maybe around 25-30). For terran go 3 gate marine marauder then expand and bunker up until you get stim and concussive out. For zerg go 11 pool 18 hatch and build 2 spines right away, then build a production hatch and go for a timing attack. Once you have a win rate of like 60% you will get out of bronze. I don't know if that advice is any good because those builds (if you get used to them) will start losing you a lot of macro games sooner or later. Personally I'd still advocate cheesing your way out of bronze asap, and force yourself to multitask by building your base/units and microing at the same time. Knowing how to do a really good bunker rush or 7 pool actually never hurts you because even in a pure macro game TvZ I will often bunker rush just to keep him from getting the early advantage. I've seen people who could 7 pool and break even most of the time while macroing up after throwing their opponent off their build order. Building 25 stalkers then expanding at 80-90 population just doesn't seem very useful for anything... | ||
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Germany10 Posts
Tbh, just play and learn with the games. Its normal that you loose and that you will be cheesed in some games. Everyone does. If you just go on playing, have a solid macro you will easily go through bronze and silver league. | ||
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BossPlaya
United States141 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 29 2010 07:56 BossPlaya wrote: I don't think many people in this thread understand what Bronze league is really like. Literally every 2v2 against 2 Zergs, I can guarantee a double 6pool. I think when the OP says that he hopes Blizzard will "fix the cheese", he means that they will change something so that it doesn't happen so frequently. I mean, I can beat a worker rush no problem. It's just a waste of my time when I face it twice in a row from 2 different players. See, something in that statement just doesn't add up. If you can beat 6 Pools and worker rushes consistently (which is a skill you do need to get out of bronze/silver), and if you are facing cheese consistently and beating it, and if your play is solid in longer, normal games when they do happen - doesn't that imply you're getting a lot of easy wins? If you did have such a high win ratio, you would have moved up in rank and leagues pretty quickly and thus not be in Bronze. There is nothing Blizzard can do about it, nor is there a reason for them to do anything. It's just a challenge to beat, and we've all had to go through it at some point or the other. It's the second step in Starcraft (right after learning the basic mechanics and macro fundamentals), you can't possibly skip it or progress skill-wise as a player without overcoming that obstacle. | ||
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On December 23 2010 23:21 chessiecat wrote: I know this is a slightly silly thread but I could use a bit of advice. That fear of the 'Quick Match' button in Bronze keeps being re-enforced in this kind of unpleasant way. Literally every on of the last four games I've played on the ladder have devolved to smacking down someone who cheesed or some variety of super-dicey worker combat. It's gotten to where I'm actually scared of pressing the Quick Match. The most common response is 'Cheese is part of the game. Learn to deal with it.' That's not an answer. That's someone stating something I already know and I know how to deal with cheese. It's simply a very rude and rather nasty way of playing the game which I am altogether hoping that Blizzard fixes. I don't know. It's gotten to a place where I simply feel silly playing because I'm not improving. Do I have to just keep banging my head against the Bronze wall until I'm into Gold? It's a real grind. Should I play peak hours to get some weaker opponents? Cheese until I'm out of Bronze? Wait on the obvious patches which will hopefully fix these kinds of things? If you were anywhere near half decent bronze cheese would feel like a joke. | ||
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eatpraylove
United States53 Posts
Check out 4:45 - 5:40: | ||
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BossPlaya
United States141 Posts
On December 29 2010 08:15 Talin wrote: See, something in that statement just doesn't add up. If you can beat 6 Pools and worker rushes consistently (which is a skill you do need to get out of bronze/silver), and if you are facing cheese consistently and beating it, and if your play is solid in longer, normal games when they do happen - doesn't that imply you're getting a lot of easy wins? If you did have such a high win ratio, you would have moved up in rank and leagues pretty quickly and thus not be in Bronze. I can beat 1 6pool but not 2 at the same time. Bronze Zergs really tend to just 6pool and that's it. I don't mean to complain, because it's more annoying than anything. | ||
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lerf
Canada7 Posts
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Defiled
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uberdeluxe
Canada306 Posts
Or just find a practice partner some other way. | ||
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GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
Terran can't really cheese, maybe marine all in but at bronze it is so far into the game that a standard bo would own them. | ||
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