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Vanidar
Profile Joined October 2010
United States66 Posts
December 29 2010 01:36 GMT
#101
Way back in the BETA, when I was in Copper(hahaha) I played a good match with someone. We put each other on our friends lists, and a day later I get a message:

"I cannot beat 6pool rush. How do you do it?"

I gave him my best advice, and then 6pooled him a few times. He won the third game, and never looked back at that kind of cheese. Now we're both diamond.
I supply depot rush into fast expand.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 29 2010 05:46 GMT
#102
Blizzard's not going to patch out rushes. Dustin Browder said they want them to be possible even though it makes new players unhappy and David Kim called them a core part of the game.


Wow thanks for the link didn't know they had these online xD Should have known.

Also, although you are using very plain language, some people may think you are mocking them for not removing rushes xD. Damn, removing rushes... the game would definitely suck. All balance would be lost =O

anyways thx for the link xD
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
eatpraylove
Profile Joined October 2010
United States53 Posts
December 29 2010 09:15 GMT
#103
Actually, I agree with Browder & Kim. I think rushes are integral to a game like Starcraft where you're balancing economy & military in real-time.

Not that I don't also like games where you just line up your armies and go at it. I used to play a lot of Total War. I quit because the multiplayer community is sparse.
s031720
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden383 Posts
December 29 2010 10:47 GMT
#104
The most annoying thing with cheese is when you beat it off, barely, and then continue to loose in the macro game. Thats just plain irritating. Once you survive a cheese you really feel that you have achieved something, but that only counts if you continue to win the game as a whole.

I never cheese but I kind of enjoy playing VS cheese, it becomes a diffrent kind of game.
Just another noob
Shillen
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3 Posts
December 29 2010 15:36 GMT
#105
Once i get a computer that will allow me to macro/micro effectively i will be hitting the Practice partner forum, in hopes of getting rid of that exact feeling.
That do you like?
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 19:56:42
December 29 2010 19:56 GMT
#106
On December 29 2010 19:47 s031720 wrote:
The most annoying thing with cheese is when you beat it off, barely, and then continue to loose in the macro game. Thats just plain irritating. Once you survive a cheese you really feel that you have achieved something, but that only counts if you continue to win the game as a whole.

I never cheese but I kind of enjoy playing VS cheese, it becomes a diffrent kind of game.



well, not everyone who cheeses is a bad macro player. there are plenty of really good players who either cheese once in a while to keep up to date with their "cheesing-skills" or who cheese to maximize the points-per-ladder-session. in general, cheese can be considered a form of early game attack. if such an attack inflicts enough damage, then it will ofc allow the cheesing player to enter a longer macro game on even grounds although the cheese was held off.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Twitches
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada365 Posts
December 29 2010 20:06 GMT
#107
To be blunt.. If you're afraid of cheese, you're never going to get better at this game. This kind of game is not going to hand you all the kind of match ups and strategies that you want to play against. If that's what you want, you had probably better just stick to playing the computer. Even if Blizzard fixes a lot of early cheese strategies (they won't) there will always be some form of cheese or all in play.
Gravity is just a feeble plot.
excellionx
Profile Joined December 2010
United States85 Posts
December 29 2010 21:00 GMT
#108
when i first started this game i played with friends in customs to practice since we all sucked.
if you dont like cheese play with friends that dont cheese
d_wAy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States104 Posts
December 29 2010 21:02 GMT
#109
Soon, the question will change from "will my opponent cheese?" to "Oh, Steppes of War v. Protoss? Hmm, I'd best scout my base for proxies"

You will hopefully build up intuition about when opponents cheese, in what positions cheese is favorable, what maps are more cheese-tastic, what are the tells that he's cheesing (for example, terran that doesnt take gas is highly suspicious), and roughly when the timings are. Without cheese, the game would be perhaps too predictable. You never want to be known as "the standard player".
Holophonist
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
December 29 2010 21:21 GMT
#110
Dunno how far we've gone from the original purpose of this thread...

I know what you mean, man. It's just cause this game is really hard, and it's almost like work. Not only that, the nature of the game makes you very anxious and kinda shoots your nerves because of how critical every little thing is. In my opinion, this is the sign of a GOOD GAME. I'm glad it's not like COD where you can just turn it on and get killed like 10 times in 2 minutes and just keep going. There's no significance to it.
Just like my Grandpa used to say, "Never forget that the... thing.. and there was like.... a guy with this. Hmmm......"
gcoin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States89 Posts
December 29 2010 22:48 GMT
#111
if your terran you should always use your SCVs.
Terran for Life. Never compromise Not even in the face of Armageddon
Kogut
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 11:23:21
December 31 2010 11:21 GMT
#112
Were you looking for some strategy advice, sir? Wrong forum.

Anyways, I have friends who refuse to play, and they blame it on many of the same things. They're afraid that everyone will cheese. If it affects you then, go play custom games or vs. AI. If you can just try and deal with it, realizing that the other person is not a pro, and is just as clueless as you are... You'll be just fine.
CHILL GET OUT
Liquoid
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom275 Posts
December 31 2010 11:37 GMT
#113
Placement matches got me to Gold League at start, and I was cheesed and 4gated down to Bronze.
You'd expect to see cheese there a lot, but I didn't. My opponents were as slow scared of me as I was of them, and I mostly played defensive macro games, believe it or not. I still resort to macro games now that I somehow made it to Silver.
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
December 31 2010 11:44 GMT
#114
you shouldn't fear losing. just put some music on, and play the game.

if you lose you lose. just play the game and enjoy, and if you lose try to learn from your loss. that's it.
NEWB?!
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 31 2010 12:03 GMT
#115
Having read multiple "I'm in Low League X, will the cheese ever stop?!" threads, I really don't know what to say... The thing is, the cheeses executed in bronze/silver/gold and even plat are usually so weak and have so many flaws that they can be easily defended by just playing standard and well... defending them.

So my advice would be to get yourself a standard BO for each matchup and practice that over and over again. As I understand it in Bronze League it's not even common to have a standard opening like 10 depot, 12 rax, 13 gas, 15 orbital, so you might want to work on that first. If you feel it's just completely impossible to stop a certain cheese with your usual opening you have to make minor adjustments. Maybe delay your gas on Steppes in favor of a quicker second supply depot if you KNOW a 6pool is coming at you. Just some simple examples, I don't even know if you're playing Terran... :>

Eventually you'll be happy when someone cheeses you because it's basically a free win.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
December 31 2010 12:15 GMT
#116
Cheesing is more prevalent in lower leagues whilst not limited to them. Research, practice and most importantly - scouting; is all you need to overcome it.

You're not improving because you aren't proactively seeking out the flaws in your game-play and improving upon it.

If you're in Bronze for some time, either:

a) You don't know what a build order is.
b) Your macro is horrendous.
c) You have limited game sense.
d) You don't scout.
d) Combination of the above.

Watch the replays of your losses. Identify what you did wrong. Don't repeat the same mistake the next game. Of course, you can't fix bad macro in one game, but you need to start addressing your game flaws if you seek improvement.
I see the want to in your eyes.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
December 31 2010 12:17 GMT
#117
Locking the thread because nothing new/useful is being discussed and it doesn't need to be constantly bumped.
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