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On August 11 2014 00:41 NewSunshine wrote:I feel I have to say this since that picture has been linked more than once: those diagonal mineral lines are not at all typical, there are fewer gaps between minerals than there should be, allowing for easy cannon rush spots. Different formations can have more spaces, and without spacing the geysers any farther apart. It's eating at me because I don't want people to start using that formation without knowing better. Also, the vertical formation in that picture is not the same as the horizontal one - check the edge of the unbuildable cells relative to the geysers. This is important to note for maps with 4-spawn rotational symmetry. I would make a new image with better formations for reference, but I'm not at my computer atm.
I made that image way back when that was a typical diagonal mineral setup. Those were the days. Definitely agree that an update is necessary.
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We really need to actualize the Mapper's Index thread thingy :|
Modern (?) Standard Mineral lines pic for anyone that missed it before
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I disagree with the top and bottom ones, they look a bit odd, maybe make the gasses 1 square to the opposite direction of the mineral line, thus making it similar to the right and left ones?
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On August 21 2014 01:20 moskonia wrote:
I disagree with the top and bottom ones, they look a bit odd, maybe make the gasses 1 square to the opposite direction of the mineral line, thus making it similar to the right and left ones?
If anything I think the left and right geysers are 1 tile too far from the minerals - there's usually only a 1 tile gap between the minerals/geysers.
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Yeah i messed that one up, but it does not really matter in this case, in both positions the vespene geysers are efficient and that's what matters, but anyways here's a better version :b
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Open nat which means toss expands later than normal, while Terran has to build the expansion in the main. Rocks at the 3rd which means Zerg has a later 3rd than normal, or a very far one, while Protoss normally has enough forces to break the rocks when taking a 3rd. Terran can take the island as a 3rd. Might be balanced, or might be crazy imbalanced, only time will tell. Any comments?
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On August 23 2014 05:04 moskonia wrote:
Open nat which means toss expands later than normal, while Terran has to build the expansion in the main. Rocks at the 3rd which means Zerg has a later 3rd than normal, or a very far one, while Protoss normally has enough forces to break the rocks when taking a 3rd. Terran can take the island as a 3rd. Might be balanced, or might be crazy imbalanced, only time will tell. Any comments?
You act like there is a good chance this map will be used in competitive play 
On a more positive note, I like it. I think the center could be more interesting though.
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5players map :D players cant spawn in close spawns
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old WiP with new layout on main land
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On August 20 2014 16:12 iamcaustic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 00:41 NewSunshine wrote:On August 10 2014 11:51 Uvantak wrote:My first advice would be to use standard mineral and vespene placements these will avoid you quite a bit of headaches with inefficient vespene geysers and other things. I feel I have to say this since that picture has been linked more than once: those diagonal mineral lines are not at all typical, there are fewer gaps between minerals than there should be, allowing for easy cannon rush spots. Different formations can have more spaces, and without spacing the geysers any farther apart. It's eating at me because I don't want people to start using that formation without knowing better. Also, the vertical formation in that picture is not the same as the horizontal one - check the edge of the unbuildable cells relative to the geysers. This is important to note for maps with 4-spawn rotational symmetry. I would make a new image with better formations for reference, but I'm not at my computer atm. I made that image way back when that was a typical diagonal mineral setup. Those were the days. Definitely agree that an update is necessary.
It never was a standard setup, Ohana and Cloud Kingdom both had better setups, and those maps are quite old, in fact Ohana had nothing but the setup in Uvantak's picture. Blizzard maps are generally good for reference, not necessarily for geyser positioning, but their mineral placements were pretty good. Antiga Shipyard is an example, the natural expansions had bad geyser placement, but the main base has the canonical cardinal layout - one that I and many others adhere to to this day, which oddly enough differ from Uvantak's picture. If I did that image myself you'd see the cardinal setups the same as on Antiga.
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So like this?
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And actually, Cloud Kingdom had worst set ups, the diagonal set ups were basically the same only they were "misplaced" one hex to leave room for units to walk through, this made one of the vespene geysers inefficient for each of the expansions in which these layouts were used. The mineral lines in the original Ohana were better, at least in the main bases, and then in the LE edition they were very nice with only a couple minerals that changed place here and there.
/edit i misplaced one of the vespene geysers -.-; fixed
♦ Leet photoshop skillz version
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Hi guys, can you guys help me improve this map's layout? im thinking of putting double collapsibles in the middle so that the two open paths in middle can be closed down.
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Loki from BW. Any tips?
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Brown bases are full , grey bases are 6m1g
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Just because someone did it, does not mean it can't be done once again. Looks like the maps are pretty different too.
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Wat think?
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Original won :p
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The fuck is going on with that 9 o'clock base's geyser, Iez?  other than that, looks cool. Feels almost like one of those old BW-style 12 base 4p maps, except with 105% more gold base.
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On August 30 2014 04:38 moskonia wrote:
Just because someone did it, does not mean it can't be done once again. Looks like the maps are pretty different too.
Meant that inspiration can be taken from it, not "don't even think about using this concept, it might as well be copyrighted".
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CuUXLi1.jpg)
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