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iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
September 12 2010 04:07 GMT
#41
SoTIS is seriously terrible. The creeps aren't even balanced. Because of the way they decided to make the zerg have weaker units but more of them means that they die to AoE while the protoss creeps don't. The shop system is also terrible compared to DotA, though this is probably due to the restrictions of the mapmaker in SC2.

But anyway, I'm not even going to comment on hero balance when they can't even realize that the creeps being different is massively retarded.
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Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
September 12 2010 05:22 GMT
#42
On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote:
HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30.

LoL = casual cartoony crap
Dota/HoN = for competitive game.


Or a college student who is making barely enough to survive/ pay for classes/ pay for books. Don't be so quick to judge asshole, some people work just to stay just above broke.
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 12 2010 05:29 GMT
#43
On September 11 2010 18:09 DminusTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote:
HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30.

LoL = casual cartoony crap
Dota/HoN = for competitive game.


I also agree that HoN is better than LoL, but if you act like a douche nobody is going to listen to what you have to say, manner up...

This.

You're basically saying "HoN is better than LoL because HoN is good and LoL is bad." At least give some sensible reasoning as to why you consider one good and the other bad.
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crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
September 12 2010 05:54 GMT
#44
On September 11 2010 20:11 nihoh wrote:
DotA is competitive like CS is competitive. It's not mentally and physically taxing every second like in SC2 and war3 and SC, however it takes skillful teamwork, communication, technique, timing.


For some reason, playing DotA/LoL makes me rage a lot. If I'm in a shitty mood or losing streak, I don't even bother booting up the game because it's just going to make me more pissed off.

On the other hand, if I lose in SC2, i'd just take a quick glimpse of the replay and queue up for another game like nothing happened.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-12 07:53:26
September 12 2010 07:47 GMT
#45
On September 12 2010 14:54 crazeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 20:11 nihoh wrote:
DotA is competitive like CS is competitive. It's not mentally and physically taxing every second like in SC2 and war3 and SC, however it takes skillful teamwork, communication, technique, timing.


For some reason, playing DotA/LoL makes me rage a lot. If I'm in a shitty mood or losing streak, I don't even bother booting up the game because it's just going to make me more pissed off.

On the other hand, if I lose in SC2, i'd just take a quick glimpse of the replay and queue up for another game like nothing happened.


For me it's the other way around . There is nothing more upseting then the thought of me losing an 1v1 in a strategy game . Dota / LOL is a team game and the better team wins. I can't do shit alone if our team is bad so i don't get angry .
Deleted User 45971
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
533 Posts
September 12 2010 09:11 GMT
#46
Well this is about as a good place as any but I have to ask the people who like LoL, why is it a good competitive game? I was under the impression that it has mini-transactions giving you more heroes and also things like a small hp or damage boost? Or have I been extremely misinformed by haters?

Anyways DotA right now is the most competitive game in the genre and is the biggest one too because of the Asian scene. The skill level in high level DotA is way higher than HoN/LoL for the same reason BW have way higher skill levels than SC2.

And the clan scene is much more active, at least in Europe. You can find a CW against various skill levels very fast in DotA while in HoN most people play pubs and generally the skill level of players are really low since most good players still play DotA. Although I haven't played in a while so it might have changed.

Also I agree so much with the above, playing 1on1 SC2 is extremely exhausting for me personally, both physically and mentally while DotA is very relaxing as long as you avoid Russian pubs
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
September 12 2010 09:23 GMT
#47
is this thread still about sotis? i have a few things to say about the discussion in the thread, but quite clearly the opening post has nothing to do with it. could it be renamed or brought back on the original topic? :>
teekuppi
Profile Joined April 2008
78 Posts
September 12 2010 09:28 GMT
#48
Just give it a break guys. As someone said this game has been in the making for such a short period comparing it to games that have had the time to get them balanced is absurd. Sure Sotis has some pathing problems and the UI is not as good as is could be, It's still a pretty damn fun game to play and given some time I'am sure it will change alot.
One.two
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada116 Posts
September 12 2010 09:57 GMT
#49
We were too pampered with the warcraft 3 editor... it's much more time consuming to make anything equivalent to warcraft 3 now (although the potentials to go further are much vaster than war3's editor).

Have faith guys; if you played the original DOTA and AOS maps in warcraft 3, you know how bad it was back then. In terms of a starting point, we're starting much higher with SC2 (in terms of quality).
SC2 Editor tutorials: http://www.youtube.com/onetwosc
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
September 12 2010 10:11 GMT
#50
Why on earth would you bash a game (or in this case a map) solely on the premise that something similar already exists. By some of you're arguments, no more multiplayer fps's should exist because we have quake and bw should have been aborted because c&c came first. Your closed mindedness gets sotis nowhere, so take your broke-ass ideas out of this thread.

also, @ Potatisodlaren: the microtransactions in LoL merely speed up the process at which you can acquire said buffs in the forms of runes and masteries. You cannot directly buy runes with money and neither can you directly buy levels for masteries. Anyone who even plays the game casually can not only hit max level within a few months playing but easily get a few heroes and at least one full runepage.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
September 12 2010 10:30 GMT
#51
LoL is freel?
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9571 Posts
September 12 2010 10:50 GMT
#52
Apparently they removed detection (true sight) from the observer. Now NOTHING can spot the cloaked sniper and the vagabond's mines -_-; such a pain in the ass...
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
101TFP
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
420 Posts
September 12 2010 14:31 GMT
#53
you can still use boundary scanners
People get what they get, this has nothing to do with what they deserve.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
September 12 2010 22:28 GMT
#54
On September 12 2010 19:30 Darksoldierr wrote:
LoL is freel?

LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken.

On another note, for those complaining about models, blame Blizzard and their ridiculous data limit.
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
September 12 2010 22:47 GMT
#55
On September 12 2010 19:50 Latham wrote:
Apparently they removed detection (true sight) from the observer. Now NOTHING can spot the cloaked sniper and the vagabond's mines -_-; such a pain in the ass...


the next patch of sotis is going to reintroduce observers for cloak detection, for now boundary scanners (range of 17 iirc) can be used to see mines/cloaked units; also, all hero units set off reaper mines (includes merc beacons for sure and mule scv shots i think?)
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 00:11:38
September 13 2010 00:10 GMT
#56
GL with balancing gonna take 1 year atleast.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2010 00:31 GMT
#57
On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 19:30 Darksoldierr wrote:
LoL is freel?

LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken.

Define "seriously do anything"? And the latter is definitely not true. The only things you have to spend money on are skins for characters, which are purely cosmetic.

On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote:
On another note, for those complaining about models, blame Blizzard and their ridiculous data limit.

I agree with this.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
September 13 2010 01:20 GMT
#58
this game is pretty fun, i like tassadar
Sup
_Epic
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States34 Posts
September 13 2010 01:55 GMT
#59
On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 19:30 Darksoldierr wrote:
LoL is freel?

LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken.

Every single thing in LoL excluding the custom champion skins (purely visual) can be acquired without paying anything. All heroes can be unlocked permanently just by playing, and runes and masteries can only be unlocked by playing, though real money can speed up the process.
Curly
foo
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-16 15:48:35
September 16 2010 15:44 GMT
#60
So i am horrible with the hero's names, but the hydralisk is a pain in the ass... what with his "fishing move' then stun, then he can chase you down with his speed/damage ability too... I am a fan of the reaper, love the satisfaction of getting a kill when not even near the action :D

What items do people tend to go for ?

I always start with the vernal inhibitor... for a while i started with a fast stabaliser but just found myself getting ganked too easily, the stabaliser is awesome if you can get away with it and are soloing a lane however, because you hardly need to leave the lane so can level up real fast...

EDIT:
whether the game is perfectly balanced or not is not an issue for me right now, it is too early to play competitively, so i just play it for fun :D also there you are pretty much garunteed a leaver or two in most games due to the way the popularity works with it and people not knowing what they are getting into... So it is just for fun with me .. and fun it is :D

Give it a year or two and we will see how the sotis competitive scene goes hey?
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