Lately a friend and I have been taking breaks from ladder to play some custom games including dota. I know there are many hardcore dota fans out there that don't approve of it and I agree it still needs work but overall I think its fun.

My friend and I have been experimenting around with combinations of heroes that work well with each other and have cheap combinations of moves to make people rage quit.(Because why else would you play the game

.

I'm asking others, what cheap hero comps have you guys come up with to make people rage quit? Or what good strategies in general have you come up with?

n3mo

United States298 Posts

August 24 2010 16:13 GMT

http://www.playsotis.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=617

will answer far better than i can =P

personally, an annoying thing i've come against is the fact that apparently nukes from tiberius.rancor can be dropped ANYWHERE (either that, or he's hacking) - so if you retreat from a battle he can time and nuke you as you try to heal up.

CruS

Sweden218 Posts

August 24 2010 16:14 GMT

I love UMS but I see no reason to play any dota clone on SC2 with LoL and HoN and DotA already being out there practically for free.

So.. I haven't really tried any of the dota UMS, are they any good at all?

Backpack

United States1776 Posts

August 24 2010 16:23 GMT

On August 25 2010 01:14 CruS wrote:
I love UMS but I see no reason to play any dota clone on SC2 with LoL and HoN and DotA already being out there practically for free.

I agree with this.

The SC2 versions are just really sloppy. The shop menu is really clunky and unorganized. Healthbars are crappy for last hitting. Last time i played the map they were using zerglings as creeps and they are stupid hard to target. The models are just clumped up and bulky to last hit properly. You can't see very well and the game itself isn't very refined at all. A lot of the animations are poor and it's hard to tell whats going on.

There is really no reason to try and force a DotA clone into SC2 when you can play LoL for free, DotA for free if you have warcraft 3 and HoN (the most professional clone) for just $30.

beradical

United States38 Posts

August 24 2010 16:47 GMT

If you really do want to play a game of this nature, I, personally, suggest League of Legends.

It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free!

(This is of course only when you're bored of SC2

)

CidO

United States695 Posts

August 24 2010 16:49 GMT

I think that mentality of don't play it because there is something better is a little silly. If people want to play a game for fun and not in a league/statistical based competition then why not offer that in a game they've already purchased? Not everyone wants to play DotA (or HoN or LoL) as if it were a 1v1 ladder, some just want to relax and take a break.

I remember early DotA being "balanced" and clunky.

[Agony]x90

United States853 Posts

August 24 2010 16:55 GMT

Please find a better game. The controls (and players you find) in this game are just awful. If you're interested in playing this type of game, take everyone elses advice and just play HoN, LoL, DotA or wait for Steam's new one. If you do want to play SotIS, wait like, 6 months for it to get better developed.

pilsken

Germany441 Posts

August 24 2010 17:25 GMT

It's an absolutely horrible version. The creeps are imbalanced, it's incredibly hard to last hit vs zerglings, the collosion size of your heroes is absurd and you can get stuck in like 3-4 lings. The buying menu is uncomfortable and everything feels just wrong. I'm a very avid Dota-player, i played both HoN and LoL for a bit and i usually own these things like np after my first 5 mins, but this is just bad.

Give it a few months till they figured it out. So far stick to WC3-DotA (or HoN or LoL if thats more of your flavour).

Netherlands12045 Posts

August 24 2010 17:33 GMT

the attack animation of default units in sc2 are too fast to micro last hit deny compare to war3. in order for this game to work, you need some certain mod for game speed and camera zoom.

i doubt this gona reach DotA level anytime soon

DarkSeerTurbo

United States105 Posts

August 25 2010 17:18 GMT

#10

On August 25 2010 01:23 Backpack wrote:

The SC2 versions are just really sloppy.

i agree, they're very very sloppy. as a long term Dota player and fan, the Sotis game on SC2 is just horrible. it's nowhere even close to the honing and fine balance tuning of Dota. Dota is a refined and balanced game with great attention to detail that most players won't even notice or understand (example: tangoes and ironwood branches or seemingly inconsequential (but not inconsequential) nerfs that take out 1 base damage). there is a reason why Dota was played at WCG--because it's competitive. and it's competitive because it is balanced. Sotis has a number of problems: user interface is horrible, the leadership is obviously held by someone who does not have a deep understanding of game mechanics, and of course, balance issues.

the only thing going for it is that it looks pretty.

OopsOopsBaby

Singapore3425 Posts

August 25 2010 17:28 GMT

#11

i wonder if anyone talking down on this map has ever played dota version 5.84 and before.

RoarMan

Canada745 Posts

August 25 2010 17:33 GMT

#12

On August 26 2010 02:28 yongming wrote:
i wonder if anyone talking down on this map has ever played dota version 5.84 and before.

This.

Anyone who played DotA and compares "balance and polish" to SotIS obviously never played DotA pre-Allstars either.

DotA has come a LONG way from being something heavily competitive from a pretty indistinguishable map back in the day. Give SotIS some time before yacking at it.

Arco

United States2090 Posts

August 25 2010 17:40 GMT

#13

SotIS got some updates as of late. More heroes, better shop menus, etc. Had a fun game yesterday.

michaelthe

United States359 Posts

August 25 2010 17:58 GMT

#14

Odd to see so many people eager to bash a UMS that has only been in development for a few weeks. Also silly for people to recommend playing LoL over a UMS... UMS can be fun distractions from ladder and come in all varieties. I doubt there is a single UMS that doesnt have a better full game somewhere, but they are still played!

Keep in mind this UMS map CLEARLY needs a lot of work. I was surprised to see a Dota clone out so fast, but I hope it improves. Some of the proplems people posted need to be addressed... the shop UI is terrible, and in general the map seems cluttered and a bit faster than dota (someone mentioned the attack speeds being to high by default).

Anyways, I hope this map improves, I will certainly be watching it.

Kwidowmaker

Canada978 Posts

August 25 2010 19:10 GMT

#15

Let's ignore the haters and talk some strategy!

I have a hard time figuring out optimal buying strategies

Generally I get the +2 health regen then get the veneral inhibitor or whatever that gives the speed bonus and the aura of health or mana regen. For heroes like the ghost I think it may be good to rush to stabilizer so you can stay near combat and level up without having to go back to base. Getting stab also allows you to go rail gun next then force plating for a quick shc, but I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about things. Biggest problem is that you're relatively weak compared to heroes that didn't rush stab early on, and then once you get it you're potentially facing damage upgraded heroes until you get the rail gun.

Also, I'm not completely sure about this but there should only be once aoe hero per lane! I was playing a game where my buddy was the dark templar while I was the high templar and often times his aoe balls were competing with my swarms

squaremanhole

United States82 Posts

August 25 2010 19:35 GMT

#16

On August 25 2010 01:47 beradical wrote:
If you really do want to play a game of this nature, I, personally, suggest League of Legends.

It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free!

(This is of course only when you're bored of SC2

)

Say what.. LoL is a terrible clone IMO :[

HoN is soooooo good but I still think that there should be an SC2 version of DotA. I don't understand the people objecting this, seeing as how it REALLY does not affect them whether or not people make it.

HelloSon

United States456 Posts

August 25 2010 19:41 GMT

#17

On August 26 2010 04:35 squaremanhole wrote:

Show nested quote +

the problem is even if Icefrog released DotA for SC2 (which he isn't), HoN and LoL offer stuff that SC2 DotA will never ever have because it's limited to battle.net 2.0 and sc2.

Netherlands12045 Posts

August 25 2010 19:43 GMT

#18

personally i think DotA b4 IceFrog isnt that great, i treated it just like a TD maps back in the day. There is alot of speed and animation modification you need to work on SotIS in order to make the game more exciting. The default model of SC2 are not suited for games Dota-like.

about battle net suit for DotA or not? i dont think its a problem. Blizz is having lots of map making contest right now and im sure they will make a custom ladder if they found a project that has big potential.

bombcar

United States68 Posts

August 25 2010 19:49 GMT

#19

Frankly, it's because it's not balanced that it's fun to play. I'm not very good at DotA like games, but I can play SotIS pretty well as the sniper.

pinkydink

9 Posts

August 25 2010 20:12 GMT

#20

HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30.

LoL = casual cartoony crap
Dota/HoN = for competitive game.