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Zonel
United States100 Posts
My friend and I have been experimenting around with combinations of heroes that work well with each other and have cheap combinations of moves to make people rage quit.(Because why else would you play the game  . I'm asking others, what cheap hero comps have you guys come up with to make people rage quit? Or what good strategies in general have you come up with? | ||
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n3mo
United States298 Posts
will answer far better than i can =P personally, an annoying thing i've come against is the fact that apparently nukes from tiberius.rancor can be dropped ANYWHERE (either that, or he's hacking) - so if you retreat from a battle he can time and nuke you as you try to heal up. | ||
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CruS
Sweden218 Posts
So.. I haven't really tried any of the dota UMS, are they any good at all? | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:14 CruS wrote: I love UMS but I see no reason to play any dota clone on SC2 with LoL and HoN and DotA already being out there practically for free. I agree with this. The SC2 versions are just really sloppy. The shop menu is really clunky and unorganized. Healthbars are crappy for last hitting. Last time i played the map they were using zerglings as creeps and they are stupid hard to target. The models are just clumped up and bulky to last hit properly. You can't see very well and the game itself isn't very refined at all. A lot of the animations are poor and it's hard to tell whats going on. There is really no reason to try and force a DotA clone into SC2 when you can play LoL for free, DotA for free if you have warcraft 3 and HoN (the most professional clone) for just $30. | ||
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beradical
United States38 Posts
It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free! (This is of course only when you're bored of SC2  ) | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
I remember early DotA being "balanced" and clunky. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
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pilsken
Germany441 Posts
Give it a few months till they figured it out. So far stick to WC3-DotA (or HoN or LoL if thats more of your flavour). | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
i doubt this gona reach DotA level anytime soon | ||
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DarkSeerTurbo
United States105 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:23 Backpack wrote: The SC2 versions are just really sloppy. i agree, they're very very sloppy. as a long term Dota player and fan, the Sotis game on SC2 is just horrible. it's nowhere even close to the honing and fine balance tuning of Dota. Dota is a refined and balanced game with great attention to detail that most players won't even notice or understand (example: tangoes and ironwood branches or seemingly inconsequential (but not inconsequential) nerfs that take out 1 base damage). there is a reason why Dota was played at WCG--because it's competitive. and it's competitive because it is balanced. Sotis has a number of problems: user interface is horrible, the leadership is obviously held by someone who does not have a deep understanding of game mechanics, and of course, balance issues. the only thing going for it is that it looks pretty. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On August 26 2010 02:28 yongming wrote: i wonder if anyone talking down on this map has ever played dota version 5.84 and before. This. Anyone who played DotA and compares "balance and polish" to SotIS obviously never played DotA pre-Allstars either. DotA has come a LONG way from being something heavily competitive from a pretty indistinguishable map back in the day. Give SotIS some time before yacking at it. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Keep in mind this UMS map CLEARLY needs a lot of work. I was surprised to see a Dota clone out so fast, but I hope it improves. Some of the proplems people posted need to be addressed... the shop UI is terrible, and in general the map seems cluttered and a bit faster than dota (someone mentioned the attack speeds being to high by default). Anyways, I hope this map improves, I will certainly be watching it. | ||
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Kwidowmaker
Canada978 Posts
I have a hard time figuring out optimal buying strategies  Generally I get the +2 health regen then get the veneral inhibitor or whatever that gives the speed bonus and the aura of health or mana regen. For heroes like the ghost I think it may be good to rush to stabilizer so you can stay near combat and level up without having to go back to base. Getting stab also allows you to go rail gun next then force plating for a quick shc, but I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about things. Biggest problem is that you're relatively weak compared to heroes that didn't rush stab early on, and then once you get it you're potentially facing damage upgraded heroes until you get the rail gun. Also, I'm not completely sure about this but there should only be once aoe hero per lane! I was playing a game where my buddy was the dark templar while I was the high templar and often times his aoe balls were competing with my swarms | ||
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squaremanhole
United States82 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:47 beradical wrote: If you really do want to play a game of this nature, I, personally, suggest League of Legends. It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free! (This is of course only when you're bored of SC2 )Say what.. LoL is a terrible clone IMO :[ HoN is soooooo good but I still think that there should be an SC2 version of DotA. I don't understand the people objecting this, seeing as how it REALLY does not affect them whether or not people make it. | ||
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HelloSon
United States456 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:35 squaremanhole wrote: Say what.. LoL is a terrible clone IMO :[ HoN is soooooo good but I still think that there should be an SC2 version of DotA. I don't understand the people objecting this, seeing as how it REALLY does not affect them whether or not people make it. the problem is even if Icefrog released DotA for SC2 (which he isn't), HoN and LoL offer stuff that SC2 DotA will never ever have because it's limited to battle.net 2.0 and sc2. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
about battle net suit for DotA or not? i dont think its a problem. Blizz is having lots of map making contest right now and im sure they will make a custom ladder if they found a project that has big potential. | ||
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bombcar
United States68 Posts
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pinkydink
9 Posts
LoL = casual cartoony crap Dota/HoN = for competitive game. | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
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Darkstar_X
United States197 Posts
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NeoScout
United States103 Posts
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
Right now this is the equivalent of a TvZ strategy thread where everyone is telling you to play protoss. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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Zonel
United States100 Posts
On August 30 2010 03:57 LonelyMargarita wrote: Change the title of this thread to "SotIS/HoN/DotA Comparison" and make a new thread where people ACTUALLY talk about SotIS strategy. Right now this is the equivalent of a TvZ strategy thread where everyone is telling you to play protoss. I meant for the thread to be a strategy discussion but it has turned into this lol. I guess I should have known better. -_- | ||
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On August 30 2010 04:36 Zonel wrote: I meant for the thread to be a strategy discussion but it has turned into this lol. I guess I should have known better. -_- I think the mods wouldn't mind laying down the law if you asked them. This thread went off-topic from like post 3 :\ | ||
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Trepanation
United States111 Posts
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:14 CruS wrote: I love UMS but I see no reason to play any dota clone on SC2 with LoL and HoN and DotA already being out there practically for free. So.. I haven't really tried any of the dota UMS, are they any good at all? I agree with the first sentence. If you dont own HoN, might as well play LoL for free instead of SotIS, as you will have the side effect of earning points to unlock stuff - which is pretty fun and addictive. The faster pace of Storm is kinda cool, but the problem? Aside from the creeps being imbalanced.... the life is too low on everything! Everything dies too fast! How are you supposed to get last hits or deny the opponent when things drop so fast? Not to mention the heroes are pretty crappy balanced, and have many skills that dont really offer much synergy to the rest of the character... and the item shop is crap... It needs a lot of work. I think it has potential - like I said the faster pace is cool, but HP needs to be upped globally, and zerg/protoss creeps need to be balanced among other things. Balance is to be expected to need work because it's new - some things are obvious glaring problems though.... I havent played ma ny UMS that I actually enjoy yet, actually the soccer UMS that's on the forum here is the one I've liked most so far. I just wish ppl played it more, I only play it when my friends are on since it's not on top of popularity. With crap maps like that dragonballz one up on popularity, I'm sure the real "good" ones are hidden gems at the bottom of population right now... sad. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
I find ghost ridic, noob dont random always auto pick him. Ranged, good stun, good escape, nuke + stun = owns half the crap. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote: HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30. LoL = casual cartoony crap Dota/HoN = for competitive game. Well, shitloads of people can't make 30$ because their monthly salary in their countries is like 300$, you know, | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Why would anyone play this over the already established HoN/LoL/DotA ? | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
Also On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote: HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30. LoL = casual cartoony crap Dota/HoN = for competitive game. I'd say it's more like: LoL = Fun, free, not to be taken seriously SC2 = Competitive game Dota/HoN = "Competitive" game | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
also with how SC2 handles custom maps, in every game you're pretty much guaranteed with one guy who has no clue what the map is and only joined it because it was on the "popular" list. | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote: HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30. LoL = casual cartoony crap Dota/HoN = for competitive game. I also agree that HoN is better than LoL, but if you act like a douche nobody is going to listen to what you have to say, manner up... | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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Iri
150 Posts
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iSTime
1579 Posts
But anyway, I'm not even going to comment on hero balance when they can't even realize that the creeps being different is massively retarded. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On August 26 2010 05:12 pinkydink wrote: HoN is much better than LoL for only $30. If you want to play a Dota game seriously or competitively then HoN is by far the best. Even the WC3 Dota is better than LoL. If you don't have an extra $30 to spend on a game, then you're either 15 years old whose mommy won't let them use her credit card, or you don't deserve to live because you can't even make $30. LoL = casual cartoony crap Dota/HoN = for competitive game. Or a college student who is making barely enough to survive/ pay for classes/ pay for books. Don't be so quick to judge asshole, some people work just to stay just above broke. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 11 2010 18:09 DminusTerran wrote: I also agree that HoN is better than LoL, but if you act like a douche nobody is going to listen to what you have to say, manner up... This. You're basically saying "HoN is better than LoL because HoN is good and LoL is bad." At least give some sensible reasoning as to why you consider one good and the other bad. | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On September 11 2010 20:11 nihoh wrote: DotA is competitive like CS is competitive. It's not mentally and physically taxing every second like in SC2 and war3 and SC, however it takes skillful teamwork, communication, technique, timing. For some reason, playing DotA/LoL makes me rage a lot. If I'm in a shitty mood or losing streak, I don't even bother booting up the game because it's just going to make me more pissed off. On the other hand, if I lose in SC2, i'd just take a quick glimpse of the replay and queue up for another game like nothing happened. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On September 12 2010 14:54 crazeman wrote: For some reason, playing DotA/LoL makes me rage a lot. If I'm in a shitty mood or losing streak, I don't even bother booting up the game because it's just going to make me more pissed off. On the other hand, if I lose in SC2, i'd just take a quick glimpse of the replay and queue up for another game like nothing happened. For me it's the other way around . There is nothing more upseting then the thought of me losing an 1v1 in a strategy game . Dota / LOL is a team game and the better team wins. I can't do shit alone if our team is bad so i don't get angry . | ||
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Deleted User 45971
533 Posts
Anyways DotA right now is the most competitive game in the genre and is the biggest one too because of the Asian scene. The skill level in high level DotA is way higher than HoN/LoL for the same reason BW have way higher skill levels than SC2. And the clan scene is much more active, at least in Europe. You can find a CW against various skill levels very fast in DotA while in HoN most people play pubs and generally the skill level of players are really low since most good players still play DotA. Although I haven't played in a while so it might have changed. Also I agree so much with the above, playing 1on1 SC2 is extremely exhausting for me personally, both physically and mentally while DotA is very relaxing as long as you avoid Russian pubs | ||
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Glull
Germany404 Posts
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teekuppi
78 Posts
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One.two
Canada116 Posts
Have faith guys; if you played the original DOTA and AOS maps in warcraft 3, you know how bad it was back then. In terms of a starting point, we're starting much higher with SC2 (in terms of quality). | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
also, @ Potatisodlaren: the microtransactions in LoL merely speed up the process at which you can acquire said buffs in the forms of runes and masteries. You cannot directly buy runes with money and neither can you directly buy levels for masteries. Anyone who even plays the game casually can not only hit max level within a few months playing but easily get a few heroes and at least one full runepage. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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Latham
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101TFP
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On September 12 2010 19:30 Darksoldierr wrote: LoL is freel? LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken. On another note, for those complaining about models, blame Blizzard and their ridiculous data limit. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
On September 12 2010 19:50 Latham wrote: Apparently they removed detection (true sight) from the observer. Now NOTHING can spot the cloaked sniper and the vagabond's mines -_-; such a pain in the ass... the next patch of sotis is going to reintroduce observers for cloak detection, for now boundary scanners (range of 17 iirc) can be used to see mines/cloaked units; also, all hero units set off reaper mines (includes merc beacons for sure and mule scv shots i think?) | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote: LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken. Define "seriously do anything"? And the latter is definitely not true. The only things you have to spend money on are skins for characters, which are purely cosmetic. On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote: On another note, for those complaining about models, blame Blizzard and their ridiculous data limit. I agree with this. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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_Epic
United States34 Posts
On September 13 2010 07:28 MythicalMage wrote: LoL is free to play, but to seriously do anything you have to pay. And to have a persistent hero, if I'm not mistaken. Every single thing in LoL excluding the custom champion skins (purely visual) can be acquired without paying anything. All heroes can be unlocked permanently just by playing, and runes and masteries can only be unlocked by playing, though real money can speed up the process. | ||
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foo
Australia109 Posts
What items do people tend to go for ? I always start with the vernal inhibitor... for a while i started with a fast stabaliser but just found myself getting ganked too easily, the stabaliser is awesome if you can get away with it and are soloing a lane however, because you hardly need to leave the lane so can level up real fast... EDIT: whether the game is perfectly balanced or not is not an issue for me right now, it is too early to play competitively, so i just play it for fun :D also there you are pretty much garunteed a leaver or two in most games due to the way the popularity works with it and people not knowing what they are getting into... So it is just for fun with me .. and fun it is :D Give it a year or two and we will see how the sotis competitive scene goes hey? | ||
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
maybe i'll give sotis a try when it gets a bit farther in it's development. till then | ||
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Zergxy
Mexico25 Posts
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Dysz
Sweden26 Posts
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:14 CruS wrote: The SC2 versions are just really sloppy. The shop menu is really clunky and unorganized. Healthbars are crappy for last hitting. Last time i played the map they were using zerglings as creeps and they are stupid hard to target. The models are just clumped up and bulky to last hit properly. You can't see very well and the game itself isn't very refined at all. A lot of the animations are poor and it's hard to tell whats going on. There is really no reason to try and force a DotA clone into SC2 when you can play LoL for free, DotA for free if you have warcraft 3 and HoN (the most professional clone) for just $30. QFT | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
Anyways.. I've tried the game, I'm pretty bad. I'm alright at LoL, and I would like to get better at SotIS So of anyone would like to discuss strats instead of "ogm balance issues", that would be bool. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
chuck is really strong overall while tosh has a ridiculous stun attack as his Q special (stuns almost 4 seconds over 7 seconds or something at level 4) theyre going to get nerfed further for sure in the future though i just checked the changelog and chuck got nerfed a lot (and tosh to a lesser extent with increased time between stuns) this should be better since the new patch kinda messed up what balance there was to a huge degree i never played LoL or HoN or DOTA but i've played sotis for a while (originally just to take a break from laddering) and if you guys have any questions on strats, heroes or w/e I can try to answer them | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:47 beradical wrote: If you really do want to play a game of this nature, I, personally, suggest League of Legends. It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free! (This is of course only when you're bored of SC2 )lol you played HoN yet? much better than LoL imo | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On September 18 2010 06:50 NEwAcC) wrote: chuck is really strong overall while tosh has a ridiculous stun attack as his Q special (stuns almost 4 seconds over 7 seconds or something at level 4) theyre going to get nerfed further for sure in the future though i just checked the changelog and chuck got nerfed a lot (and tosh to a lesser extent with increased time between stuns) this should be better since the new patch kinda messed up what balance there was to a huge degree i never played LoL or HoN or DOTA but i've played sotis for a while (originally just to take a break from laddering) and if you guys have any questions on strats, heroes or w/e I can try to answer them T-bone is now a completely useless, underpowered hero with his new spells and stats. Tosh is still OP (level 4 stun with another hero for damage is a guaranteed kill), as is Unix. The observer needs to be removed, as does Unix's perma-burrow. Right now my games have become observer wars between the two teams, with a huge %age of your mins going to buy and rebuy them, and your energy focusing on killing theirs. Even without detect, observer + laser drill is broken vs anything that can't shoot the air (otherwise you can scan and kill the obs). At this point I'm quite sure the mapmaker really isn't cut out for the job of making anything that will get to DOTA-equivalence, and I'd like to see someone else start fresh. Instead of taking small steps, balancing the current heroes, and slowly adding new ones he's introducing several at a time, not fixing the old balance issues, not play testing before he releases a map, and doing complete re-makes of heroes between patches (which come too often). As for strategy, every hero requires his own strategy. With Darpa, you obviously go straight for 2 or 3 stabilizers, then work on a small hadron collider. With Geminus, I try to rush pulse hammer for the stun, and don't even bother with movement or attack speed increases because his ult and his trap already allow you to catch any hero. Mandrake needs more hit points and fast healing to counteract the damage from Martyr. Alternatively, you can go energy and assist with kills with the lance. Cyprus has multiple options - you can go damage and try to warp, trap and kill heroes, or you can go energy regeneration and farm super-fast with multi-shot. Tassadar is underpowered late game because he doesn't scale well - 10 damage from illusions, even if you have 20, is worthless once everyone has 2000+ hp and 50+ armor. Zyrkhan can go anything, as he is fairly well rounded, but he can easily get shut down from leveling early, and then can't compete with ranged heroes. Toximancer similarly can go for spells or damage or speed/attack rate or stuns. His allied unit modifier is still a bit strong, and his cloak is overpowered (the percentages listed are incorrect). Gravitus pretty much has to go movement and attack speed, otherwise he'll never catch and hit other heroes. Erekul goes energy regen. Singsprocket farms crazy fast if you get energy regen first with his Q. Then you can go whatever you want when you're 3 levels ahead of everyone. Hybrid I've only played twice, but he's still OP because of his ult (he basically can't ever die). I went attack speed and it worked well with focus. I can't figure out how to play Grunty, and Boros goes damage and/or stun. The ghost can go pretty much anything, but lately I've been rushing straight to the +60 damage. | ||
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farseerdk
Canada504 Posts
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
to lonelymargarita: i only read the changelog (havent seen anyone use tbone since that recent mass nerf) for tbone and he seemed maybe even overnerfed (i dont know how much - if any? - damage his ult does) i totally agree that tosh's stun needs to be reworked to something else, maybe a slow effect or (it was suggested on the playsotis forums) something that locks spells on the hero; as is the 0.4-0.2 second difference (now) is kinda negligible from the previous 2 second delay between stuns i think ekcolnovkol (the map maker) said something about not being able to test patch 2.0 because he submitted it to the blizzard custom map making contest (i think one of the rules was no previously uploaded maps) so he had to make a bunch of changes after, and he seems amenable to reason (ie: nerfing tbone), the main problem i see is that there arent really that many good players testing the game for him. so many of the "elite" players on playsotis.com are a joke, and without good players testing and actually seeing the balance in game, its hard to balance the game. here are some of my thoughts on the heroes you mentioned: darpa - if you're going to lane (with autoturrets) middle, i prefer getting movement/components for vernal, if you plan on getting hero kills then straight stabilizer/x2 is good shadow.boros - i get vernal first, if not you run the risk of getting ganked rather than ganking others, then pulse after vernal mandrake - vernal (i pretty much get this first for every hero anyway since it helps soooooo much early game), pulse, stabilizer--> organic carapace, etc cyprus - i usually go for damage since hes awesome for fucking people up 1v1 and you can do it in the sneakiest ways with his teleport tassadar - hes not weak at all late game because early on his Q attack can help you lane really well, he can escape with his cloak/clone, and its pretty hard to pick him out to begin with when theres like 10 clones onscreen; then again hes really good for laneing, so-so for support/ganking, and hes not exactly a carry zyrkhan - recently i've seen some pretty good players using him and getting stabilizer first and using his storm/blink often, then getting pulse and the standard items toximancer - was practically invincible pre 2.0 and after they made observers unable to see cloaked units, hes still really really good atm just for that 20% attack speed skill on everyone on the team (including allied creeps/buildings) and i think now that his Q attack is fixed its still really strong despite the obs now - and especially if you're using one to snipe others obs gravitus - attack speed is a must since his ult gives him so much attack damage, probably a good idea to get gravitic as soon as possible, maybe even as a 2nd or 3rd item (after vernal) erekul - one of his skills recharges energy, and his other recharges hp, so you dont need energy that much (just attack some neutral creep or...get hit) singsprocket - best laner early game for sure, you dont need any specific items for energy regen that much early on since one of his skills (that boosts scv attack/life) gives energy drops and that + vernal (whatever component that gives u energy that combines to form vernal) should be enough energy early on hybrid - very very strong if used well, going straight damage for him is fine since his other skills slow/stasis and allow really good setups for ganks geminus.boros definitely vernal then pulse, stabilizer after probably grunty - one of my favorite heroes, super strong if you abuse the middle lane and get all the rune creeps. now that his shotgun dispels cloak (one of the recent patches) he should be even stronger, but surprisingly i see noone using him as hes kinda hard to use (and if you dont go mid solo its even harder to utilize his advantages). straight damage is fine for him, especially contamination shard since he already does sooo much damage and quickly near/in water rancor (ghost) - can go pretty much anything but i think damage is pretty important, also the skill leveling, its pretty important to just ignore that one skill where he plants sensor towers, its pretty unimportant if you have a good sense of the action (ie: take a look around the map often). best skill build for him is to focus on snipe, get maybe 1 level of cloak, get his ult (obv) whenever possible, and put the rest of the skill lvls into upping his stats (even early on, you can always increase levels of cloak later on, but really u only need 1 level for the first 10 levels or so) yes i play this game too much. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
its currently *probably* the best combo atm as theyre all excellent for ganking and they can all carry a game too some of the new items in the game that they introduced post 2.0 are kinda ridiculous...that new coat of arms item is soooooooooo good for its cost, while the evasion item just got nerfed from 30% evasion to 17% (component) and 22% for the combined item, which seems kinda bad considering its cost idk, i havent used it much | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On September 18 2010 16:11 NEwAcC) wrote: also my ideal team would probably be mandrake/toximancer/hybrid/tosh/and uhhhh the last would be a tossup between erekul/grunty/boros (geminus not shadow, his vortex took a HUGE hit pre 2.0) its currently *probably* the best combo atm as theyre all excellent for ganking and they can all carry a game too some of the new items in the game that they introduced post 2.0 are kinda ridiculous...that new coat of arms item is soooooooooo good for its cost, while the evasion item just got nerfed from 30% evasion to 17% (component) and 22% for the combined item, which seems kinda bad considering its cost idk, i havent used it much No room for prelate there? I have been playing very well with mandrake lately, but also tampered with Prelate.Zeratul and found them both pretty awesome for the way I play the game :D Overall I'm having a lot of fun playing SoTIS, and even though it may not compare to the other big names like DotA and HoN its very new, and i know for a fact the developers are working their asses off to keep up with balance changes and bugs. I think they are doing a great job ^_^ | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
prelate is awesome for ganking but then mandrake/toxi/hybrid/tosh/etc are good at ganking and can also carry a game mandrake is soooooo fun to play at the start - you can start ganking nonstop with only a couple lvls of his martyr and magnitude. ekcolnovkol is working hard at balancing and introducing new items (i heard another big update is coming? maybe 10 new heroes) but i dont think he has enough good players to do balance testing - and i dont mean people who just play sotis, but i mean people who are good at/understand sc2 mechanics and like playing sotis regardless he(/they?) is doing a great job PS: we need some sort of sotis lets play thread, this one got so bogged down with haters | ||
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Nixda
119 Posts
I do have two questions though, both of them probably pretty newbiish: 1) What are these rune creeps ? I read in the chat about someone taming a rune creep but I have no idea what these are and what it means. 2) There seems to be a tendency of players dropping out at the start of the game and in the 10-15 seconds after it has started. Is this a bug or do experienced players leave intentionally (maybe because they do not get the hero they want or perhaps because they consider one of the two sides to be weaker because of the imbalanced critters) ? This causes a lot of frustration because it tends to make teams uneven, after which players of the team with less players leave because of it and it forces a restart. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
2. sometimes this is a bug where you get a "YOU HAVE DROPPED FROM THE GAME" etc type message at the start, sometimes its just people not wanting to play with a bunch of feeders/newbs (you can check everyone's lifetime stats in the top right bar) | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
I dunno how its going to go though, might want to see how it balances out. Although im pretty sure it can't replace HoN since everyone in DotA were whining about the lack of hero models, the kinda-bad graphics and just the limitation in every area cause its restricted by the warcraft 3 engine. HoN is free from such restrictions and have better utilities, such as reconnection to games and such. And the graphics are nice too. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
There is a bit of team imbalance for the time being. Zerg has several small advantages that should really be removed, both teams should start on equal footing. I'm having a lot of fun playing this with some buddies when I get tired of ladder, we all get on Skype and our superior communication allows us to utterly dominate. Brawler, BioTron and Boros are my favorites. | ||
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Arovien
United States123 Posts
BioTron is also a amazing hero capable of everything. I wanna say he is borderline OP. One big problem I have with SotIS is that most heros feel like they can become leads as long as you know what items to get. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
Although the name is absolutely terrible And the balance needs a lot or work I think the game will shape up to be pretty good the more they work on it Has anyone else seen it disappear from the games list? I was trying to play last night but haven't seen it there I know most of you are going to be like "why does it matter, it's a shitty game anyways?" But I'm really curious as to why I can't find it anywhere. I tried searching blizz forums but all I could find was idiotic posts claiming Blizzard banned it in fear of the game getting too popular... Which sounds like horse shit to me | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
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Alaron
United States225 Posts
On August 25 2010 01:47 beradical wrote: If you really do want to play a game of this nature, I, personally, suggest League of Legends. It's by far the best DotA style game out, and it's completely free! (This is of course only when you're bored of SC2 )Very biased response. If you liked Dota in any form play HoN. Its like DotA on steroids. LoL is free but it is full of nothing but imba heroes that are picked every game. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On October 09 2010 06:40 Alaron wrote: Very biased response. If you liked Dota in any form play HoN. Its like DotA on steroids. LoL is free but it is full of nothing but imba heroes that are picked every game. the best DotA style game is......DOTA! surprise surprise | ||
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TexSC
United States195 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
anyone that want to play casuals, add me anch.347. i consider myself a okay player and not <1 ratio. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Owned them so bad with magnitude and molten lance http://i53.tinypic.com/4jkh8g.jpg if anyone cared here is the replay. [url blocked] | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
Anyways all my rl friends have stopped playing DotA but they do play SC2. I'll be playing this more. | ||
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tru_power22
Canada385 Posts
Ill stick to HoN, for my DotA like needs. | ||
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
Anyways, last night I started playing this for a change of pace and I thought it was really interesting. Of course, all my teammates hated me because I had no idea what I was doing. I played a couple games with different characters and decided I really liked Mandrake. He seems pretty cool and I got some hilarious kills with martyr. If you have faster movement speed and someone is weak and isolated, you can just follow them until they die lol. I like his ultra or w/e but it seems like it takes forever to use so its not very good as an OH SHI- move. =( I also tried out that hybrid that knows the surge spell, and he seems pretty cool although I don't understand how to use him. What other characters are good? I have actually never played DotA before, so I don't really understand the basics..I was sorta just trying to kill stuff. | ||
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
Zealot and shadow are incredibly strong too and tassadar, both snipers, and erekul are easy to play as well. Boros is fragile early but does stupid damage if you make it through the early game without dying and falling behind. Basically, the best advice I can give you if you are learning the game is to learn to not die before you try to learn to kill. That means learning to not take unnecessary damage from creeps and towers so you can stay in lane longer and also means detecting situations where ganks are coming and back up to safety. If you think it feels unsafe, just back up to your tower. The number one cause of annoyance for experienced players toward new players is when the new players die too much and "feed" opposing heroes to the point where they are too strong to kill. If you avoid that, you shouldn't have many issues with your teammates. | ||
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AlphaDog
46 Posts
On February 26 2011 07:06 thebigdonkey wrote:The number one cause of annoyance for experienced players toward new players is when the new players die too much and "feed" opposing heroes to the point where they are too strong to kill. If you avoid that, you shouldn't have many issues with your teammates. Sotis has a mumble server to organize inhouses. Another method would be joining the sotis public channel in sc2. | ||
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ket-
97 Posts
I'd be interested in playing some games with reliable people just for fun but at least being sure who you're playing with/against isn't gonna be one of these. From the results of my search I couldn't find out if there's any teamliquid sotis channel so I assume there isn't, but I'm just curious to see if there are many people out here still playing it as if yes, we might be able to do a channel to find others to play with (and if enough do play, can even fill a complete room I guess  ).Back on topic : is the mandrake still that op? I barely see anyone use it, and I've only tried a few classes myself. I decided to go for ghost and "master" that one a bit before switching and trying out others. | ||
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:23 ket- wrote: Bumping this as I just started this mod today, and I'm a bit annoyed that EVERY single game has 1 or 2 guys lagging the shit out of everyone which causes at least 1-2 leaves right away. I'd be interested in playing some games with reliable people just for fun but at least being sure who you're playing with/against isn't gonna be one of these. From the results of my search I couldn't find out if there's any teamliquid sotis channel so I assume there isn't, but I'm just curious to see if there are many people out here still playing it as if yes, we might be able to do a channel to find others to play with (and if enough do play, can even fill a complete room I guess ).Back on topic : is the mandrake still that op? I barely see anyone use it, and I've only tried a few classes myself. I decided to go for ghost and "master" that one a bit before switching and trying out others. Mandrake can be pretty damn strong still, if you gear him correctly (get a TPI) and know how to play him. Also, Unix is godly if you gear him for time scale and use a TPI right before using your ultimate. You can do ridiculous amounts of damage. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
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Drewx
Australia15 Posts
On May 06 2011 17:45 Xanbatou wrote: HoN just seems so slow to me. Same thing puts me off HoN, all the characters bar are few feel too slow. Hell even the big slow guys like tiny and tide in Dota seem to move faster than most characters in HoN. SotIS seems about right in comparison only wish it had more variety in terms of Heros just too few from what I'm used too. | ||
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ikarigendo
United States99 Posts
On May 01 2011 01:23 ket- wrote: I'm a bit annoyed that EVERY single game has 1 or 2 guys lagging the shit out of everyone which causes at least 1-2 leaves right away. If you want balanced games with good players and no laggers, you need to pay the Sotis inhouse games. Details for how to join can be found on their website. Personally, I find this the most rage inducing game, but it is still pretty fun. Much less stressful than starcraft, because the apm required is so much lower. I can relax and play some Sotis, while I can never relax and play starcraft (if I do relax, I will get completely steamrolled). | ||
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Sermokala
United States13812 Posts
was fun though | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
BTW, I liked how in DOTA they had the banlist checker thing. Too bad bnet 2.0 sucks so much ass that isn't even possible. My favorite part is how every other game 1 or 2 people disconnect from the lobby while the game is starting. Man, battle.net 2.0 is awesome! | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 24 2011 14:56 travis wrote: This game has improved a lot since I last played it. BTW, I liked how in DOTA they had the banlist checker thing. Too bad bnet 2.0 sucks so much ass that isn't even possible. My favorite part is how every other game 1 or 2 people disconnect from the lobby while the game is starting. Man, battle.net 2.0 is awesome! You necro a thread to whine about bnet 2.0? Banlists were awful in WC3, it worked in a perfect world but if your internet cut out and you were disconnected and you never get into another game again. It's hilarious that you cite people disconnecting in SC2 when in WC3 there was absolutely no punishment either. The SotIS forums are a far better place to discuss this. I personally do not enjoy it as a DotA player, but I'm sure Blizzard DotA will be far less clunky. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 24 2011 15:39 Ruscour wrote: You necro a thread to whine about bnet 2.0? Banlists were awful in WC3, it worked in a perfect world but if your internet cut out and you were disconnected and you never get into another game again. It's hilarious that you cite people disconnecting in SC2 when in WC3 there was absolutely no punishment either. The SotIS forums are a far better place to discuss this. I personally do not enjoy it as a DotA player, but I'm sure Blizzard DotA will be far less clunky. No, I necro a thread to say that the game is much better but that bnet 2.0 makes it hard to enjoy. "cite people disconnecting in sc2 when in wc3 there was absolutely no punishment either" ... I am talking about bnet 2.0 disconnecting people from the lobby when the game starts. jesus, looking for a fight? | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On June 24 2011 15:59 travis wrote: No, I necro a thread to say that the game is much better but that bnet 2.0 makes it hard to enjoy. "cite people disconnecting in sc2 when in wc3 there was absolutely no punishment either" ... I am talking about bnet 2.0 disconnecting people from the lobby when the game starts. jesus, looking for a fight? I disagreed with you on the internet, sure, let's go straight to fisticups :S I was just trying to say that your post was hardly relevant to SotIS, as bnet's problems are relevant to every single other custom map in existence. On topic, my biggest problem with SotIS is the hotkeys, I'd like to be able to customise my hotkeys to what I'm used to from DotA without screwing them up for SC2, it feels uncomfortable as hell. The inventory system is clunky as well but there's not much they can do about it with SC2's engine. | ||
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ItsMartyz
Netherlands17 Posts
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WayHeroic
United States111 Posts
@above, buy at least two Vital infusions along with your accelerator with the money you start out with. An early death sets you pretty far back, but so does having to go back to the pool and heal too often. You gain experience that's shared with allied heroes near you from enemy creeps/heroes dying near you. If you're having trouble staying alive, which is causing you to be underlevelled, I suggest playing conservative. For instance, if you're a melee hero, stay slightly behind your creep line (probably next to they hydras/stalkers) and try to last hit when possible. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
One thing I am trying to figure out is how people seem to get power-ups/shop items so quickly. People recommend getting like organic carapace for my guy but that's like 4600 or something and I've literally only gotten that in one game out of 15 or so...most games I probably get like 3000-4000 max in the whole game. Anybody have any tips for getting more money? Overall pretty well loving the game despite knowing near nothing about hero matchups or super specifics. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
On June 24 2011 16:17 Ruscour wrote: I disagreed with you on the internet, sure, let's go straight to fisticups :S I was just trying to say that your post was hardly relevant to SotIS, as bnet's problems are relevant to every single other custom map in existence. On topic, my biggest problem with SotIS is the hotkeys, I'd like to be able to customise my hotkeys to what I'm used to from DotA without screwing them up for SC2, it feels uncomfortable as hell. The inventory system is clunky as well but there's not much they can do about it with SC2's engine. Fisticups hahaha Its fisticuffs bro. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
If anybody has any questions about they game feel free to ask me because I feel very competent in this game now after 4 months. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
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rkffhk
474 Posts
I noticed that playsotis.com has dropped sotis altogether and is now trying to change to be a site for dota/lol/smite. Does this mean that Sotis is dead now? I've been out of the loop for a while, so I thought I'd ask here since there's no other active Sotis thread atm. | ||
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Ydriel
Italy516 Posts
Haven't played Sotis in, like, 4ever, used to play with some rl friends in-between team games. I've long since moved to DotA 2. The game wasn't bad, and with the SC2 editor I'm sure it could have become pretty good, just needed more heroes and work on buffs and nerfs ofc. I guess with the insurgence of MOBAs (or ARTS as you wish), most of 'em being F2P, there's not much of a reason to play an UMS map for the same purpose. Hero Attack (I think was the name) was also pretty good, had a unique spin on the genre. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On December 02 2012 06:33 rkffhk wrote: So... I noticed that playsotis.com has dropped sotis altogether and is now trying to change to be a site for dota/lol/smite. Does this mean that Sotis is dead now? I've been out of the loop for a while, so I thought I'd ask here since there's no other active Sotis thread atm. SotiS was reborn as Aeon of Storms (AoS) now. | ||
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