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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 03:05:59
April 12 2012 03:01 GMT
#141
My opinion on the Parting/MKP decision is that Blizzard should stop being so apathetic toward these issues. They happen in EVERY major tournament and there is nothing we can do about it.

It seems shitty to me that Blizzard is willing to take money out of tournament's prizepools as IP fees yet they still won't release the technology needed to run a real competitive tournament. It seems like they only pay attention when it's time to collect.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 03:29:12
April 12 2012 03:28 GMT
#142
Personally i liked the situational best of 3 scenario. Then just award the first game to Parting, and play out the rest of the best of 3 with parting up 1 - 0. I think that's the most fair seeing as parting had the advantage, however awarding Parting the win, of a best of 1, seems like too much.
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Ferr3t
Profile Joined October 2011
21 Posts
April 12 2012 04:06 GMT
#143
The diplomatic answer should have been to make it a BO3 with PartinG at an advantage. That being said, I'm ok with the rematch for multiple reasons.

1) PartinG had his army split up. If PartinG would have lost the Zealots to MKP's remaining forces and those about to pop, the food supply would be very different.
2) PartinG didn't have a forward pylon. MKP had 6 Vikings to snipe the Warp Prism.
3) MKP's units that were about to pop were already paid for. PartinG on the other hand had only a bit more than 300 minerals at the time of the drop, which is less than MKP still had available for another round of units.
4) Ironically, in the very next game (MKP vs. Bomber) we saw that games that look like a sealed deal are easy to throw away.

Don't understand me wrong, PartinG had a good advantage going for him, but he wasn't in a position to win the game without at least one more major engagement at MKP's base after his units popped. Since that engagement didn't happen, anyone could guess the outcome.

You must defense your base.
my0s
Profile Joined March 2010
United States193 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 04:18:20
April 12 2012 04:17 GMT
#144
I voted for parting getting the win, which is the closest option to what im thinking.

I don't think giving the win to parting was a decision the judges could have actually made in that decision and situation, there was just so much on the line with it being vs mkp. But on the other hand, I also feel Parting deserved a win more than a regame.

Just a tough spot. (Though I am probably most in favor of making it a bo3 with parting up 1-0)
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
April 12 2012 05:49 GMT
#145
I don't think that mkp winning was impossible in any way, so a regame seems like the most fair decision to me, even if it sucked for parting who was ahead
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INTOtheVOID
Profile Joined January 2012
United States225 Posts
April 12 2012 06:05 GMT
#146
Parting deserved the win.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 12 2012 06:27 GMT
#147
On April 11 2012 04:23 Fryioq wrote:
I think the problem with NOT doing a re-game is that you need a clear definition for what someone is clearly winning to be. Since no such thing exists (maybe it should, and should be discussed as to what would constitute that) regame is really the only fair option I feel. While I do agree that Parting was quite far ahead, and in an excellent position to win, it wasn't a 100% clearcut, no one can say otherwise win situation. Because of that regame is the fair choice.

I've heard that maybe in such a case where someone is ahead and not 100% going to win, they change it to a Bo3 with the better looking person one game up? Im not sure, but a new rule has to be put in place to deal with these situations.

Either some definition of what "100% going to win" is
or
Some alternate set up where perhaps a Bo3 or something similar is held where the person with the advantage has a game already?

Otherwise re-game seems the correct position, given the rules.


It's not a robotic judgement call. It requires some judgement and some balls to make a call. I think the refs just thought there was a slight chance for a miracle and called a regame.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 12 2012 06:31 GMT
#148
On April 12 2012 10:16 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 09:34 Grackula wrote:
On April 11 2012 12:53 melquiades wrote:
It doesn't really matter whether the "correct" call was made or not. The call was made by the people who had been designated to make it, and who are more qualified to do it than any of the people whining about it post factum..


I heard that several progamers confirmed that Parting couldn't possibly lose that game.

I believe it was SaSe and NonY I heard of. Pretty sure these guys are qualified. I might have heard wrong


They also said that about the final game of Nestea vs Mvp at Blizzcon, when Nestea was ahead in every way and just threw away his army and econ lead in poor engagements and poor decisions.

Games shouldn't be awarded on probable outcome assuming people play perfectly. Look at Bomber vs MKP that very same night. If Bomber had just sat back and defended instead of sacrificing his 3rd and going for a delayed base-trade he would have won almost 100% of the time. People make poor decisions, Parting included. Judges should always err on the side of regame unless the game was literally over at time of disconnect.


Re-games shouldn't be awarded on improbable outcome assuming one plays while having a seizure.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
April 12 2012 06:32 GMT
#149
i honestly cannot see how mkp can make a comeback and win, when parting spent 20+ minutes holding off mkp's pressure.

the decision was forced upon by the crowds, and lack of experience. very bad call, hopefully gomtv can learn from it. always take the long term, never the short.

this gstl will be forever tainted.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 07:31:58
April 12 2012 07:30 GMT
#150
Where is the option: Blizzard implementing lan mode exclusively for big tournaments like GSL IPL NASL and MLG ?
Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
April 12 2012 07:58 GMT
#151
Regame was the dumbest decision possible. give parting the win or sth. like a Bo3 with parting 1 game ahead (and even that is a very good result for MKP).
berndniph
Profile Joined April 2011
95 Posts
April 12 2012 08:22 GMT
#152
On April 11 2012 17:55 epicdemic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 17:00 berndniph wrote:
the poll says it all.

regame was the right decision.



The majority of the people in the poll thinks regame was not the right decision. And also, since there are more MKP fanboys than Squirtle fanboys, probably it was not the right decision


i just want to point out that the poll is very close.
so how could the referees decide this, there was no "right" decision to make. impossible.

an because of this, if a game is not 100% decided the rule says regame (correct me if im wrong).
berndniph
Profile Joined April 2011
95 Posts
April 12 2012 08:24 GMT
#153
On April 12 2012 16:58 Dwayn wrote:
Regame was the dumbest decision possible. give parting the win or sth. like a Bo3 with parting 1 game ahead (and even that is a very good result for MKP).


changing the rules druing the tournament is pretty impossible.
maybe for the future, but for this game it was no option.
iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
April 12 2012 08:54 GMT
#154
hard call. but yeah, that's why a regame was necessary. If it's not clear who would've won, then regame. And well, it was MKP and we all know he can stage some crazy comebacks...

The crowd yelling for LAN was funny though :D must've been quite fun for mr. morhaime
Fizzy
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden388 Posts
April 12 2012 09:08 GMT
#155
Hey guys, instead of fighting an endless battle with eachother we should focus on our common enemy. There will never be any real answer to this question and the arguments will just circle, instead we should take initiative together and make blizzard aware that we need some kind of LAN solution for offline events.

Im not as hightech and handy as most of you other TL'ers, so i dont really know how to make or where to send an petition or something like it. But imo we should not argue over the rematch but instead join hands and try to make sure such a decision does not have to be made again.

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sc_hell
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 09:14:00
April 12 2012 09:13 GMT
#156
The Descision is okay but it has a bad taste. I also think make it a BO3 with parting starting at 1-0 would have been the best/better decision. After that go on like usual.
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
April 12 2012 10:19 GMT
#157
On April 11 2012 02:38 Amestir wrote:
Not voting, I think the best option would be to make it a Bo3 with Parting starting 1 - 0.


This!

I hope they implement this solution at tournaments in similar situations in the future
FrodoFraggin
Profile Joined February 2012
Italy32 Posts
April 12 2012 11:00 GMT
#158
a GSTL was robbed there. Parting had that game in his hand cause he had better eco,better army,better tech units. No WAY, sorry MKP fanboys.
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
April 12 2012 11:38 GMT
#159
What decisions were made is inconsequential. The whole finals was screwed either way, if Parting given the win Prime feel robbed, If regame Startale feel robbed.

This is a great example of why Blizzard really needs to give the big finals closed enviornments so shit like this doesn't happen.

when you concider the facts, and unless you're biased toward Prime you cannot see any other fair result of that game other than Parting winning.
FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
April 12 2012 11:46 GMT
#160
I don't think it should have been a regame it was an obvious loss for mkp.
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