What is your opinion on the Parting/MKP decision in the GS…

On April 11 2012 13:31 LF9 wrote:
The thing almost everyone fails to understand is that in any tournament, according to the rules, the decision for.a regame is given when "no player has a clear advantage", and in cases where a player has a "clear advantage, in case of a disconnect, upon review of the game by judges, the player who is determined to have an advantageous position and/or is in a better position to win the game will be awarded the win". People keep saying things like "you can't say MKP 100% loses the game, so regame is the correct decision". You don't need to. No player is ever 100% certain to win any game. A player does not need to be in an un-losable situation to be awarded the win. He merely needs to be determined to have the advantage over the other player. Nowhere does it say anything about 100%. In fact, if you can say that a player will probably win the game in question 60% of the time, he is supposed to be given the win in such situations. Re-game is only called for if the game is completely even and no player has any advantage over the other, or it is less than 2 minutes into the game and no decisive engagement has taken place. People need to understand the rules first before commenting on whether the decision was correct or not. Read the above, and now make your decision. Was any player in a position of advantage to win the game 6 times out of 10?

On April 13 2012 03:11 figq wrote:
A win at that level cannot and should not be awarded administratively, unless there was a clear definition in the official rules about that. It sucks, but it's part of the game and progamers should be mentally prepared for such situations.

On April 13 2012 17:44 TheBengalTigger wrote:
I'm sorry, but there's clearly a misconception here.

If you have a "clear advantage" you are given the win. This is especially true if the losing side is the one that disconnects (as was the case, in fact).

People who are saying "MarineKing still had 1% or 5% or 10% or 20% chance to come back and win" - it doesn't matter. The rules do not, nor should they, allow for re-game in such situations. You think it's unfair for MarineKing to miss out on that 5-10% chance? Far more unfair for Parting and StarTale to be forced into a re-game.

Let's say that Parting, as the better player in PvT, has a 60% chance to win the re-game. Or say it's 50-50. Whatever. Observe:

Case 1-9: Parting would have won the first game.
Case 10: MKP would have won the first game.

Awarding Parting the decision gets it right 9 out of 10 times.

Forcing a re-game, however:

Case 1-6: Parting wins the re-game. The re-game is the correct decision.
Case 7-10: MKP wins the re-game. In case 10, MKP would have actually won the first game. In cases 7-9, the re-game unfairly awards MKP the game in a case that Parting would have won.

This means that the re-game is only correct 7 out of 10 times.

Of course, these numbers are totally made-up, but in point of fact Parting had the army advantage, the upgrade advantage, the tech advantage, the economic advantage, and the positional advantage. The game was 100% over. I'm not going to accuse Prime of pulling the plug - I don't believe MKP would do that - but it's ridiculous that their disconnect earns them a total re-game. That decision was no doubt made for the fans, or done in an attempt to avoid controversy, but in point of fact it went against the stated rules and against principles of fairness.

Those in favor of the re-game: Would you also suggest a re-game if MKP was down to his last 1 supply, on the grounds that he could theoretically come back? Probably not. This game wasn't quite THAT decided, but it was pretty well decided, and it shouldn't have to be anywhere near 100% for the game to be awarded to Parting. He had a decisive lead. You wouldn't call for a re-game in chess if the board got irreparably messed up with one player down a queen.

I'm sorry to StarTale about this decision, and sorrier still that so much of the community seems to think it was the right call. I know a lot of people feel that administratively awarding a player a game is unacceptable or unfair, but remember that Prime disconnected and StarTale had a decisive lead. Everyone agrees Parting had the lead. The only question I've even seen is whether it was 70%, 80%, 90%, 99.9%, or, as I genuinely believe, 100% absent a physical injury or act of god. Award him the game and tell MarineKing that if he doesn't want to get penalized for a disconnect then he shouldn't be down 50 supply with colossi in his production facilities when it occurs.

On April 14 2012 00:57 NovemberstOrm wrote:


Say what you will the re-game is the correct choice. Unless he's in the main base of MKP it's not over yes he was killing three barracks outside his base.Giving a game to somebody unless it's 100% for sure win then it's not the right decision.There's nothing to feel sorry about even if PartinG lost it's there fault for letting mkp go on a rampage like that. Mkp wouldn't disconnect his ethernet cord lol I find it funny you would even suggest him of that. Ipl4's fault for having shitty computers, Games in the gsl hardly ever disconnected at their real studio.

On April 14 2012 05:03 meadbert wrote:
I have personally never lost a game once up 149-110 supply. Parting had this in the bad. MKP's chances were less than 1%.

EDIT: Never as a Protoss player. I have lost after being up that much with Zerg.