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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
April 12 2012 12:15 GMT
#161
1. Get LAN mode & make sure there is no power outage (the sole reason why there ain'n no more MSLs!) or any other hardware failure
2. Implement some hibernation mode which will save the game state every 10 seconds or so

......

If you cant, no matter how you decide, you are always fucked. So do whatever you like, you are gonne be hated anyways
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Starstork
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway2 Posts
April 12 2012 12:23 GMT
#162
Would rather see they give 1 to many re games then 1 to many wins that was not deserved (im not saying if this should be re game or not..) but if there is the slightest chance mkp could come back.. doesnt he deserve a chance?
Evergrowth
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway21 Posts
April 12 2012 12:41 GMT
#163
Parting was in favored to win. just look at the picture at page 1, he had his units placed at MKP unit factories, pluss a warprism in his mane base.
Starstork
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway2 Posts
April 12 2012 12:44 GMT
#164
favoured yes, but a comeback was not out of the question.. it was not an easy decision to make, any other terran i would say he was dead.. but mkp's control is just so insane he can do so much with so little
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
April 12 2012 12:58 GMT
#165
On April 12 2012 21:23 Starstork wrote:
Would rather see they give 1 to many re games then 1 to many wins that was not deserved (im not saying if this should be re game or not..) but if there is the slightest chance mkp could come back.. doesnt he deserve a chance?


That statement doesnt make any sense.
Given game state s(g): if you could calculate the game from here via an infinite number of AI's playing the game against each other in an infinite number of ways from this point on, you would get the chance for each player to win.
Lets say it's 50:50. A regame makes perfectly sense. However, the chances will probably be more like 60:40 or 70:30 for one player.

Now there are two possible solutions for this scenario (disc), given the the premise that one player had a (major) lead:
1. regame YES -> unfair because you take away his advantage
2. regame NO -> unfair because other player still has chances

tertium non datur. It is not possible to say "Okay, you had a chance of 63:54% to win that game. We will therfore start a new custom game with you having a 63.54% chance from the start." In fact, it's not even possbile to determine the exact chances.

What you COULD try is to say "We want to minimize the damage. So if it is obvious that one player has a massive lead (>75%), he will get the win." That is what people intuitively do. However, since noone is able to determine whether or not the 75% barrier was crossed, it will always end in a fruitless discussion
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furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 13:03:44
April 12 2012 13:02 GMT
#166
clear win for parting

MKP did really good in this game as long as he was ahead in eco. onces they where even on bases (parting was ahead in eco since MKP's mule mined out more of his bases) and parting had a 40 supply lead with the better tech this game was over at this level of play.
also he was in MKP's production and everyone knows that this means for terran.
maybe MKP still has like 10% because he is fucking MKP, it's still a win for parting.
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
April 12 2012 13:18 GMT
#167
>seriously implying parting didn't win

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i'm a huge mkp fan and even I think parting should have easily gotten the win. It would have been a really different gstl finals
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AnnoyingNoob
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway18 Posts
April 12 2012 14:15 GMT
#168
Downright retarded decision. No way MKP could have come back from that.
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DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
April 12 2012 14:22 GMT
#169
I was rooting for MKP at the beginning of game 1, but for me there's no doubt that Parting should've be given this game.

I've never seen terran win a game after losing his whole army. There were 16 zealots at his production, no amount of micro can save in that situation. You could actually put a rockshock (silver player) to play instead of parting and he would still win. You could even put the simpliest AI which would only make chargelots and amove them and it would still win.

I would have to see a replay of someone defending 16 zealots and 8 hts with freshly spawned 8 marines and 2 marauders without medivac support.

I didnt even take into consideration partings economic advantage. Even if he didnt camp MKPs production he could simply send 2 zealots to each of MKPs expos and DESTROY his economy completely.

I'm glad that MKP lost to Squirtle in the champ bracket, but that won't give Startale a GSTL trophy :<
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
April 12 2012 16:09 GMT
#170
On April 12 2012 23:22 DrGreen wrote:
I was rooting for MKP at the beginning of game 1, but for me there's no doubt that Parting should've be given this game.

I've never seen terran win a game after losing his whole army. There were 16 zealots at his production, no amount of micro can save in that situation. You could actually put a rockshock (silver player) to play instead of parting and he would still win. You could even put the simpliest AI which would only make chargelots and amove them and it would still win.

I would have to see a replay of someone defending 16 zealots and 8 hts with freshly spawned 8 marines and 2 marauders without medivac support.

I didnt even take into consideration partings economic advantage. Even if he didnt camp MKPs production he could simply send 2 zealots to each of MKPs expos and DESTROY his economy completely.

I'm glad that MKP lost to Squirtle in the champ bracket, but that won't give Startale a GSTL trophy :<

rockshock is slang for silver player or is it polish?
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squanzo
Profile Joined May 2011
68 Posts
April 12 2012 17:18 GMT
#171
Perhaps it says something about the state of late-game PvT to say that it was an outright victory for Parting.

I also think it was a victory for Parting, because, well, let's face it.... Protoss would have to try to lose from that point out.
sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
April 12 2012 17:27 GMT
#172
On April 12 2012 21:44 Starstork wrote:
favoured yes, but a comeback was not out of the question.. it was not an easy decision to make, any other terran i would say he was dead.. but mkp's control is just so insane he can do so much with so little


The world ending due to a Russian nuclear strike was also not out of the question... I don't think we could just say "anything could happen" and move on... decisions must be made in games such as these. It's late game, large supply discrepancies... if you can't make a decision on something like this then the policy should be regame every instance... at the end of the day, Parting was robbed of an opportunity to bounce off Prime' ace player and that had a tremendous impact on the rest of the finals...
Stormbringer!!!
Xenogears
Profile Joined July 2011
France87 Posts
April 12 2012 17:45 GMT
#173
Cannot believe we are even discussing this....

Parting had won this game, the GSTL finals were a fraud.
MVP :)
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 12 2012 18:11 GMT
#174
A win at that level cannot and should not be awarded administratively, unless there was a clear definition in the official rules about that. It sucks, but it's part of the game and progamers should be mentally prepared for such situations.
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BombaySensei
Profile Joined March 2011
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 22:02:42
April 12 2012 21:57 GMT
#175
Where is the WE WANT LAN option?

Also, people are saying it was not a clear win for parting, so regame was the obvious choice. Well... regame is essentially calling the game even (because you start all over again), which it obviously was not even, most people admit parting was well ahead. So, regame was not a fair choice. If anything, it should have been turned into BO3 with Parting up 1-0. Actually, given the disparity, he probably should have been given 2-0 in a BO5.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#176
I was okay with the regame, but i think startale should have gotten the win
King[Neikos]
Profile Joined September 2010
Costa Rica506 Posts
April 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#177
Where is the "If the game had LAN this would not even be a poll" option?
Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
April 13 2012 01:36 GMT
#178
Absolutely wrong call.

Of course it was not definitive, but I think refs should always err on the side of deciding the game, rather than erring on the side of a re-game. It's more fair that way. Parting earned a big lead in that game, and the re-game stole that lead from him and put MKP even with him again.

In my opinion, this specific instance isn't as important as the values that the decision shows. The decision to re-game was unfair to Parting, as he had a substantial lead and the refs just took it away from him. Even if there was a chance that MKP could come back, a re-game is more unfair to Parting than a decision is unfair to MKP. Put on top of that all the pressure of the game, the fact that it was MKP, Prime's star player, and I feel like the decision ruined the entire finals.

Just straight up unfair. Parting earned that lead.
Every day should be a good day to die
HowellTime
Profile Joined September 2010
United States32 Posts
April 13 2012 03:59 GMT
#179
I've gone back and forth on this. Although it seemed as if parting had started attacking MKP production facilities, he had only reached his proxy barracks in the middle of the map. Another round of units back at MKP's main base could have prolonged the game. That's enough to warrant a re-game in my opinion. Could have went either way though... the only loser here is Blizzard for not allowing LAN for big tournaments such as this.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 13 2012 04:30 GMT
#180
I think parting pretty much had it won, and had there been no disconnect I would have bet my entire life's savings on startale given the opportunity.

That being said given the disconnect I think a re-game was the only reasonable call. It's not the ref's faults... it's blizzard's fault.
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