• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:23
CET 10:23
KST 18:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation10Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1634 users

What is your opinion on the Parting/MKP decision in the GS…

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next All
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
April 12 2012 12:15 GMT
#161
1. Get LAN mode & make sure there is no power outage (the sole reason why there ain'n no more MSLs!) or any other hardware failure
2. Implement some hibernation mode which will save the game state every 10 seconds or so

......

If you cant, no matter how you decide, you are always fucked. So do whatever you like, you are gonne be hated anyways
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Starstork
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway2 Posts
April 12 2012 12:23 GMT
#162
Would rather see they give 1 to many re games then 1 to many wins that was not deserved (im not saying if this should be re game or not..) but if there is the slightest chance mkp could come back.. doesnt he deserve a chance?
Evergrowth
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway21 Posts
April 12 2012 12:41 GMT
#163
Parting was in favored to win. just look at the picture at page 1, he had his units placed at MKP unit factories, pluss a warprism in his mane base.
Starstork
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway2 Posts
April 12 2012 12:44 GMT
#164
favoured yes, but a comeback was not out of the question.. it was not an easy decision to make, any other terran i would say he was dead.. but mkp's control is just so insane he can do so much with so little
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
April 12 2012 12:58 GMT
#165
On April 12 2012 21:23 Starstork wrote:
Would rather see they give 1 to many re games then 1 to many wins that was not deserved (im not saying if this should be re game or not..) but if there is the slightest chance mkp could come back.. doesnt he deserve a chance?


That statement doesnt make any sense.
Given game state s(g): if you could calculate the game from here via an infinite number of AI's playing the game against each other in an infinite number of ways from this point on, you would get the chance for each player to win.
Lets say it's 50:50. A regame makes perfectly sense. However, the chances will probably be more like 60:40 or 70:30 for one player.

Now there are two possible solutions for this scenario (disc), given the the premise that one player had a (major) lead:
1. regame YES -> unfair because you take away his advantage
2. regame NO -> unfair because other player still has chances

tertium non datur. It is not possible to say "Okay, you had a chance of 63:54% to win that game. We will therfore start a new custom game with you having a 63.54% chance from the start." In fact, it's not even possbile to determine the exact chances.

What you COULD try is to say "We want to minimize the damage. So if it is obvious that one player has a massive lead (>75%), he will get the win." That is what people intuitively do. However, since noone is able to determine whether or not the 75% barrier was crossed, it will always end in a fruitless discussion
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 13:03:44
April 12 2012 13:02 GMT
#166
clear win for parting

MKP did really good in this game as long as he was ahead in eco. onces they where even on bases (parting was ahead in eco since MKP's mule mined out more of his bases) and parting had a 40 supply lead with the better tech this game was over at this level of play.
also he was in MKP's production and everyone knows that this means for terran.
maybe MKP still has like 10% because he is fucking MKP, it's still a win for parting.
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
April 12 2012 13:18 GMT
#167
>seriously implying parting didn't win

[image loading]


i'm a huge mkp fan and even I think parting should have easily gotten the win. It would have been a really different gstl finals
Terran Master Race: Mvp ByuN TaeJa aLive Maru Ryung SuperNoVa FlaSh Xellos firebathero ForGG BoxeR iloveoov FanTaSy Sea KeeN GanZi GuMiho StC ThorZaIN Happy MMA Marineking Clide TOP Sculp jjakji Virus Polt Goody Fenix Bomber. Zerg Mad, Protoss Jelly.
AnnoyingNoob
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway18 Posts
April 12 2012 14:15 GMT
#168
Downright retarded decision. No way MKP could have come back from that.
Marines - the hardcounter to banelings. - Idra
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
April 12 2012 14:22 GMT
#169
I was rooting for MKP at the beginning of game 1, but for me there's no doubt that Parting should've be given this game.

I've never seen terran win a game after losing his whole army. There were 16 zealots at his production, no amount of micro can save in that situation. You could actually put a rockshock (silver player) to play instead of parting and he would still win. You could even put the simpliest AI which would only make chargelots and amove them and it would still win.

I would have to see a replay of someone defending 16 zealots and 8 hts with freshly spawned 8 marines and 2 marauders without medivac support.

I didnt even take into consideration partings economic advantage. Even if he didnt camp MKPs production he could simply send 2 zealots to each of MKPs expos and DESTROY his economy completely.

I'm glad that MKP lost to Squirtle in the champ bracket, but that won't give Startale a GSTL trophy :<
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
April 12 2012 16:09 GMT
#170
On April 12 2012 23:22 DrGreen wrote:
I was rooting for MKP at the beginning of game 1, but for me there's no doubt that Parting should've be given this game.

I've never seen terran win a game after losing his whole army. There were 16 zealots at his production, no amount of micro can save in that situation. You could actually put a rockshock (silver player) to play instead of parting and he would still win. You could even put the simpliest AI which would only make chargelots and amove them and it would still win.

I would have to see a replay of someone defending 16 zealots and 8 hts with freshly spawned 8 marines and 2 marauders without medivac support.

I didnt even take into consideration partings economic advantage. Even if he didnt camp MKPs production he could simply send 2 zealots to each of MKPs expos and DESTROY his economy completely.

I'm glad that MKP lost to Squirtle in the champ bracket, but that won't give Startale a GSTL trophy :<

rockshock is slang for silver player or is it polish?
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
squanzo
Profile Joined May 2011
68 Posts
April 12 2012 17:18 GMT
#171
Perhaps it says something about the state of late-game PvT to say that it was an outright victory for Parting.

I also think it was a victory for Parting, because, well, let's face it.... Protoss would have to try to lose from that point out.
sjperera
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada349 Posts
April 12 2012 17:27 GMT
#172
On April 12 2012 21:44 Starstork wrote:
favoured yes, but a comeback was not out of the question.. it was not an easy decision to make, any other terran i would say he was dead.. but mkp's control is just so insane he can do so much with so little


The world ending due to a Russian nuclear strike was also not out of the question... I don't think we could just say "anything could happen" and move on... decisions must be made in games such as these. It's late game, large supply discrepancies... if you can't make a decision on something like this then the policy should be regame every instance... at the end of the day, Parting was robbed of an opportunity to bounce off Prime' ace player and that had a tremendous impact on the rest of the finals...
Stormbringer!!!
Xenogears
Profile Joined July 2011
France87 Posts
April 12 2012 17:45 GMT
#173
Cannot believe we are even discussing this....

Parting had won this game, the GSTL finals were a fraud.
MVP :)
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 12 2012 18:11 GMT
#174
A win at that level cannot and should not be awarded administratively, unless there was a clear definition in the official rules about that. It sucks, but it's part of the game and progamers should be mentally prepared for such situations.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
BombaySensei
Profile Joined March 2011
United States282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 22:02:42
April 12 2012 21:57 GMT
#175
Where is the WE WANT LAN option?

Also, people are saying it was not a clear win for parting, so regame was the obvious choice. Well... regame is essentially calling the game even (because you start all over again), which it obviously was not even, most people admit parting was well ahead. So, regame was not a fair choice. If anything, it should have been turned into BO3 with Parting up 1-0. Actually, given the disparity, he probably should have been given 2-0 in a BO5.
EE-God, our Dono and Savior (also our sensei)
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 13 2012 00:32 GMT
#176
I was okay with the regame, but i think startale should have gotten the win
King[Neikos]
Profile Joined September 2010
Costa Rica506 Posts
April 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#177
Where is the "If the game had LAN this would not even be a poll" option?
Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
April 13 2012 01:36 GMT
#178
Absolutely wrong call.

Of course it was not definitive, but I think refs should always err on the side of deciding the game, rather than erring on the side of a re-game. It's more fair that way. Parting earned a big lead in that game, and the re-game stole that lead from him and put MKP even with him again.

In my opinion, this specific instance isn't as important as the values that the decision shows. The decision to re-game was unfair to Parting, as he had a substantial lead and the refs just took it away from him. Even if there was a chance that MKP could come back, a re-game is more unfair to Parting than a decision is unfair to MKP. Put on top of that all the pressure of the game, the fact that it was MKP, Prime's star player, and I feel like the decision ruined the entire finals.

Just straight up unfair. Parting earned that lead.
Every day should be a good day to die
HowellTime
Profile Joined September 2010
United States32 Posts
April 13 2012 03:59 GMT
#179
I've gone back and forth on this. Although it seemed as if parting had started attacking MKP production facilities, he had only reached his proxy barracks in the middle of the map. Another round of units back at MKP's main base could have prolonged the game. That's enough to warrant a re-game in my opinion. Could have went either way though... the only loser here is Blizzard for not allowing LAN for big tournaments such as this.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 13 2012 04:30 GMT
#180
I think parting pretty much had it won, and had there been no disconnect I would have bet my entire life's savings on startale given the opportunity.

That being said given the disconnect I think a re-game was the only reasonable call. It's not the ref's faults... it's blizzard's fault.
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 115
Nina 94
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5508
Rain 1003
EffOrt 473
Killer 213
Leta 147
Hyun 146
Flash 98
Dewaltoss 63
JulyZerg 41
Bale 33
[ Show more ]
Rush 33
ToSsGirL 30
Free 28
hero 14
Hm[arnc] 7
ivOry 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 538
League of Legends
JimRising 478
Counter-Strike
fl0m1721
shoxiejesuss451
allub129
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King61
Other Games
summit1g20769
FrodaN2212
crisheroes361
ceh9333
KnowMe105
NeuroSwarm49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick530
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH195
• LUISG 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1352
• Stunt538
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
37m
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
2h 37m
GuMiho vs MaNa
herO vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
2h 37m
CranKy Ducklings
1d
RSL Revival
1d
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
1d 2h
Cure vs Reynor
IPSL
1d 7h
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
1d 10h
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL: GosuLeague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.