EPTWhat is your opinion on the Parting/MKP decision in the GS…
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shsaint
United States30 Posts
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shsaint
United States30 Posts
On April 11 2012 20:54 Lazzi wrote: I think there was no good thing to do : regame is not fair for the one who's ahead, say Parting win is unfair for MKP because he could do a comeback. The only good answer to that is auto-save game which doesn't exist yet... I have thought about this also. Simple solution and yet.. | ||
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Garoodah
United States56 Posts
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buldermar
Denmark102 Posts
Also, the statements about it having to be a clear win for it not to be a rematch is obv retarded. If Parting has more than 66% to win, and the options are rematch or his win, then his win is the most fair decision (i.e. leads to the least expected difference in outcome on avg). If, for instance, Parting had 75% of winning the game, the game should be called in his favor. I don't see how an argument could be made that he has less than 66% of winning the game, making the current decision unfair. On a sidenote: Why does drops and lag happen so frequently outside of korea and so rarely in korea? I don't recall having seen it in GSL/GSTL in korea more than once and I recall it happening at least 10 times in MLG, IPL, Dreamhack etc, despite having seen more tournamentgames from korea in total. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
i mean, look at the infamous idra vs. mma game, where mma destroyed his own command center, and idra promtly surrendered the game isnt over until a player actually surrenders, or the game declares a winner (or a draw is forced) the regame was the correct decision. | ||
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Turquoise
Turkey145 Posts
C'est la vie! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 12 2012 05:39 snively wrote: he still could have won. i mean, look at the infamous idra vs. mma game, where mma destroyed his own command center, and idra promtly surrendered the game isnt over until a player actually surrenders, or the game declares a winner (or a draw is forced) the regame was the correct decision. Yeah, like one game should be a consistent example. -_- | ||
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Superfluous
United States70 Posts
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docoa
United States14 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:56 SmuZ wrote: Marinekings micro is amazing, when I saw that game I was like lol ... My opinion is that Parting could win that game but actually Marineking deserved that one So... if you show some amazing micros, you deserve the win regardless..? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Leragie
United States8 Posts
We can argue all we want, but it's pointless without full knowledge(replay) of what was going on. There has also been a lot of misinformation about the game from both sides of the argument which is only making a bad situation worse. Unless a replay is released we will be nowhere near a justified answer. The sad thing is that most of the arguments about this are going to be fueled by love/hate for a certain player/race instead of wanting to find out the full details of what was going on in the match at the time of the drop. I also think the trash talk on MKP is sad as well. A lot of the posts on here might not be saying anything negative about any player, but other forums and the IPL chat was full of people trashing MKP like it was his fault. I think actions like this and trash talk on "fanboys" shows that us spectators are probably best left out of such important decisions. | ||
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klogg
Sweden800 Posts
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Grackula
133 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:53 melquiades wrote: It doesn't really matter whether the "correct" call was made or not. The call was made by the people who had been designated to make it, and who are more qualified to do it than any of the people whining about it post factum.. I heard that several progamers confirmed that Parting couldn't possibly lose that game. I believe it was SaSe and NonY I heard of. Pretty sure these guys are qualified. I might have heard wrong | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:34 Grackula wrote: I heard that several progamers confirmed that Parting couldn't possibly lose that game. I believe it was SaSe and NonY I heard of. Pretty sure these guys are qualified. I might have heard wrong They also said that about the final game of Nestea vs Mvp at Blizzcon, when Nestea was ahead in every way and just threw away his army and econ lead in poor engagements and poor decisions. Games shouldn't be awarded on probable outcome assuming people play perfectly. Look at Bomber vs MKP that very same night. If Bomber had just sat back and defended instead of sacrificing his 3rd and going for a delayed base-trade he would have won almost 100% of the time. People make poor decisions, Parting included. Judges should always err on the side of regame unless the game was literally over at time of disconnect. | ||
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:59 zyce wrote: This is a re-game, absolutely. Neither player should be awarded a win if the game had a disconnect unless they forfeit. It's better not to resort to a judgment call in these situations, because the referee becomes an integral part of the game's result. I don't like this line of thinking. The referee HAS become an integral part of the game's result at this point, no matter what - his hand has been forced by the disconnect. Whether the part he plays is by forcing a regame or by outright declaring a winner is another question, but there's no way to avoid integral involvement (since we cannot travel back in time and prevent the DC). Then, no matter what the decision is, it will be unfair towards at least one player. - if he forces a regame, the decision is unfair towards the player who is winning, because it erases any advantage he had above and beyond his pre-game chance of winning. (This effect is amplified if the player who is winning happens to be the underdog, but IMO that should not factor into the decision) - if he declares an outright winner, the decision is unfair towards to player who is losing, because it erases any chance he may have had to come back Now if all things are equal, the referee should definitely err towards the conservative option - to allow a regame, since this always has the potential to provide the "right" outcome (whatever that may be), whereas an outright winner is an irreversible decision. However in this case, all things are not equal. The unfairness to Parting for giving a regame far, far outweights the unfairness to MKP for giving an outright win, and I think the lesser of two evils would have been to award the win to Parting. | ||
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alee103
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Grackula
133 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:16 zefreak wrote: They also said that about the final game of Nestea vs Mvp at Blizzcon, when Nestea was ahead in every way and just threw away his army and econ lead in poor engagements and poor decisions. Games shouldn't be awarded on probable outcome assuming people play perfectly. Look at Bomber vs MKP that very same night. If Bomber had just sat back and defended instead of sacrificing his 3rd and going for a delayed base-trade he would have won almost 100% of the time. People make poor decisions, Parting included. Judges should always err on the side of regame unless the game was literally over at time of disconnect. These games aren't comparable at all. (In the MKP Parting game we're talking about a situation in which Parting has already stomped MKP's army and starts sitting on top of his production. In MKP-Bomber, MKP had a bigger/stronger army the whole time, which is clearly another situation. Don't even need to go into the details for the blizzcon game) Games shouldn't be awarded on probable outcome assuming people play perfectly. But Parting didn't have to play perfectly, not even nearly. You'd have to assume MKP plays perfectly to even have a chance and that's a problem. Parting clearly had a huge earned advantage which was nullified by a regame, which is very unfair. BO3 with Parting up 1-0 would definitely have been a better option than a regame. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
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beatitudes
United States167 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + i find it funny, after just watching the game 1 Polt vs parting on entombed, listening to Artosis reactions.The game was very similar with polt leading most of the game in supply and pressing partings base. Artosis even says he thought Polt played a better game than MKP and still got owned in the end. i have yet to see anyone with a remotely high standing in the community say that MKP had a chance in the game. | ||
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