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EpicSauce
Profile Joined August 2011
United States9 Posts
April 14 2012 19:10 GMT
#201
There was a thread by mlg somewhere that said that it literally had to be a done game, where one player would win 99% of the time to award the match, because otherwise you could just pull the plug anytime you're at an advantage. Just imagine an online tournament where someone gambles with something like dts, and gets 20 supply ahead of a korean pro, and then just pulls the plug. He didn't deserve the win obviously, and so it would be a regame.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#202
On April 15 2012 04:10 EpicSauce wrote:
There was a thread by mlg somewhere that said that it literally had to be a done game, where one player would win 99% of the time to award the match, because otherwise you could just pull the plug anytime you're at an advantage. Just imagine an online tournament where someone gambles with something like dts, and gets 20 supply ahead of a korean pro, and then just pulls the plug. He didn't deserve the win obviously, and so it would be a regame.

Instead, you unplug when you are behind.
TBA
Profile Joined December 2011
92 Posts
April 14 2012 20:31 GMT
#203
Pokémon had lan
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Lawliet
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
April 14 2012 23:24 GMT
#204
Why are Vikings "useless"? They eat up zealots, they are great harassing tools, etc, etc. MKP was dogging storms all game and sniping Templars with murders the whole game. Parting didn't reinforce his attack with his last warpin. A lot of his army supply was at his Base.

Also 5+ mules.

And this is coming from a Prtoss player.

Rename or bo3 would have been my call.
Brilliance
Profile Joined June 2011
United States28 Posts
April 14 2012 23:30 GMT
#205
My god I can't fathom the stupidity these judges displayed. Or perhaps it was an intelligent stunt to appease the crowd, who most definitely did not want to see MKP (who happens to be an extreme fan favorite) eliminated.

Either way, beyond the shadow of a doubt. Parting wins that game.
I feel sorry for you, Parting...
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
April 15 2012 00:05 GMT
#206
Like they said, Parting crushed MKP's army but MKP was making so much stuff..... I think PartinG should have taken it.
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BadgerBadger8264
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 00:10:23
April 15 2012 00:09 GMT
#207
Why are Vikings "useless"? They eat up zealots, they are great harassing tools, etc, etc. MKP was dogging storms all game and sniping Templars with murders the whole game. Parting didn't reinforce his attack with his last warpin. A lot of his army supply was at his Base.


Damaged 1/0 vikings don't "eat up" 3/3 chargelots, they barely have the DPS of a marine and were all damaged. The 6 vikings he had would've barely killed 2 zealots.

And seriously, MKP's army, including his reinforcements, was about half the size of parting's army, and Parting had storms AND an economy, whereas MKP was mining from a single base that was running out of minerals. MKP wouldn't have won a long game, and Parting had cannons and a larger standing army to survive WAY past what MKP could possibly throw at him. It was beyond over.
9incher
Profile Joined April 2012
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 02:12:53
April 15 2012 02:07 GMT
#208
Well, Parting lost in the second game...if he would have one the first game then why not in the second?

I think regame is necessary in order to avoid the WORST case scenorio where they would be giving Parting the win even though he could actually lose.
ultimfier
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada29 Posts
April 15 2012 03:21 GMT
#209
On April 15 2012 11:07 9incher wrote:
Well, Parting lost in the second game...if he would have one the first game then why not in the second?

I think regame is necessary in order to avoid the WORST case scenorio where they would be giving Parting the win even though he could actually lose.


why play best of 7s, if someone wins the first game they will obviously win games 2, 3, 4 as well.

do or do not, there is no try
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
April 15 2012 04:45 GMT
#210
Game was by no means over (MKP could have pulled a Boxer and died very slowly) but Parting was on top of the production and in a hard to lose position IMO...

Personal opinion says the refs should have given it to Parting although a regame was the politically correct decision.
I claim no bias as I am neither a Startale nor Prime/MKP fanboy...
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 15 2012 08:50 GMT
#211
I think it's still possible to lose(see rain vs inca whenever it was for the most ridiculous game throws). It's just supremely unlikely. Thing is MKP has Economy and production. What he doesn't have is army, so if he could have stalled for 1-2 minutes somehow he'd be in a decent position to come back. IMO though, Parting was at a large enough advantage to have pushed and won the game. I think though the requirements for a guaranteed win were achieved.
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Caltrop
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden34 Posts
April 15 2012 14:21 GMT
#212
I belive the call was completely corret, it was a re-game. The only situation it should not be a re-game is when you can A-move your stuff into the others base and win. No micro required.
All other situations is a 70%, 85% "whatever"%.
"Basetrading is a valid strategy for winning... if you have a hidden expo" - my wife
ButchHass
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada2 Posts
April 15 2012 16:17 GMT
#213
This Situation in baseball ...

Its the bottom off the 7th the home team is up by 6 ... whats this .. its a rain cloud .. Umpire calls the game home team win .. this is how a sport thats been around 100 years does it .. not saying it was a easy call. But you should be given some credit for being in a more then likely to win situation
Maxtor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom273 Posts
April 15 2012 17:17 GMT
#214
Responses to this have been done to death, with those that agree with the re-game often being branded mkp fanboys. I personally would have bet my life savings on parting when the disconnect occurred but I would still be sweating after that bet, because I wouldn't know for certain that parting would win, when one looks over the library of games from bw & sc2 you'll find games where if it was paused for you and you were asked to make the same call, you'd get a couple wrong

Unlikely and almost impossible comebacks do occur, the crappy situation was forced on the staff who I think made the right call out of the options available to them. More likely than not, 9/10 times, and similar probabilities are ,I feel just not good enough to award the game to one player over another. 1 up in a BO3 would be better out of those options though, as it carries over the winning player's advantage while not completely removing the losing player's chances.

AxisXI
Profile Joined November 2011
United States31 Posts
April 15 2012 18:37 GMT
#215
A nice example I'd like to use is in the MKP vs Bomber game right after. If the game had disconnected right when Bomber had landed the drop in MKP's main and dropped the manner mule, would you have given Bomber the win? Even though MKP seemed to be losing, he ended up winning in an epic base trade scenario. That's why I think the call is completely correct, even though Parting did have a significant lead.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 15 2012 19:23 GMT
#216
Regame was the correct call. It was clos4e.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
April 15 2012 20:22 GMT
#217
On April 11 2012 03:43 pPingu wrote:
Still waiting for a pro to say that parting wouldn't have won this

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 03:29 ZerphyR wrote:
MKP's production was about to pop in a matter of seconds, and he can beat the zealots w 8 marauders and 16 marines more. Als he had a better economy so it was still anyones game :D


1.According to this screenshot http://i.imgur.com/IuHuA.jpg, mkp has 21 supply in reprod, and just enough money to make 5 more marauders, still not enough to reach parting supply. You assume that parting will suicide his whole army and not produce anything, so mkp will be able to defend

2. And no, mkp didn't have the better economy, in fact parting had it http://i.imgur.com/jugZC.jpg

3. Mkp had no advantage over parting, parting had the better economy, the better army, he still had hts alive while mkp had no more tech units, and they had about the same in upgrades (something like 3/3 and 3/1(2)/3 iirc)

1. That's not counting queued up units. Moments earlier MKP was banking a lot of resources which most likely was resting inside the barracks.

2. Fresh off a mule cycle? They had a similar worker count, slight favor to MKP with mules from 4-5 cc's.

3. See 1&2.

Game wasn't clearly in anyones favor from where I was sitting so a re-game was the right call.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Doomtrain2
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-15 20:52:33
April 15 2012 20:42 GMT
#218
On April 11 2012 02:12 TBone- wrote:
I think Partning should of won. But it was such a hard decision I'm not to angry about it. I'm more frustrated at blizzard for still not implementing one of the many solutions presented to them that would solve this.


Like saving a multiplayer game... warcraft 3 had that, you could join with the exact same party members, but not in sc2...

On April 15 2012 11:07 9incher wrote:
Well, Parting lost in the second game...if he would have one the first game then why not in the second?


Because it's starcraft 2. Thouh shall not always win. But you can see it like statistic-lessons, in the long run the better player will win more often.
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Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
April 15 2012 20:54 GMT
#219
Parting was ahead for sure, but the regame was the correct decision considering it wasn't completely cut in stone that MKP would lose. It sucks but thats the only fair way to go about it.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
April 15 2012 23:09 GMT
#220
First, in 99% of cases a game isn't over until it's over. Random flukes or mistakes can affect a winning game no matter how much of an advantage someone has. Second, I don't think it was so one sided has everyone says based on the fact that most of parting's units were back at his base while the only buildings of MKP under attack were outside the base. 100% right call to regame.
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