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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 30 2020 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you going to the database or not shockeyy? Are you going? Onegu seems set on going. I think we're easily going to hit +1. Which at this point I guess a lot of people might just be going anyways. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
It seems like the only really relevant thing right now is night actions and database stuff and the sense I get from the game is that everybody is just doing their own thing. My understanding that the corruption counter can only go up by 1 per night so I don't really see much issue with many people using the option to check the database as we would go to 2, but 3 is the next threshold for whatever so maybe that's fine. All I know is that corruption doesn't seem to be relevant to me (nothing seems to have changed with the counter going to 1) and I'm starting to worry about what it might mean for others to get the counter up. I think I still would like to check the corruption but am less sure that's the best thing, especially when rayn is now randomly gung-ho about doing this himself.+ Show Spoiler + Which I find counter to what rayn was proposing earlier in the game but I will save this for a future post This leads me to Dirk's role. I really dislike 2 things about his claim, first and formost for me is that his ability pushed us to the next corruption level and potentially changed things. Second is that he says he is a named town yet part of his ability makes him return as 3rd party now. I was already thinking corruption is related to a 3rd party mechanic due to the way the rules talk about the database. The TL Mafia Database The TL Mafia Database is a wealth of information, and has assisted players with their quest for victory in many games. Sadly, it is in a sorry state of disrepair. Weakening security protocols and new technology has enabled greater access, but more serious danger of Aperture Science infiltration. Without proper care, the database will destabilize with disastrous results. Each night, a player, instead of performing any action they may have, may visit the database and target another player. You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause. Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways. If no players visit the Database, it will continue to destabilize, causing the Corruption Counter to increase by 1. In addition, if too many people (half a majority of players alive - for example, 4 players with 12 players alive) visit the database, the corruption counter will increase by 1. At corruption levels of 1, 3, and 5, a special effect will occur that will modify the game in some way. This just seems to back that up. I also noted that Dirk's thinking about how many people to send and attitude about corruption increasing was pretty inconsistent, though I don't feel like filter diving to back that up atm. So I have this sense that he is either playing a bit dumb about the mechanic or is putting out seeds of chaos about it. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 30 2020 13:46 Tictock wrote: Ok, so I don't think I have the focus for this game right now. I couldn't sleep last night and tried finish catching up with the game and was freaking out for a bit because I was convinced that rayn had ended the phase 6 hours early. That said I did finish reading and here is where I am at. It seems like the only really relevant thing right now is night actions and database stuff and the sense I get from the game is that everybody is just doing their own thing. My understanding that the corruption counter can only go up by 1 per night so I don't really see much issue with many people using the option to check the database as we would go to 2, but 3 is the next threshold for whatever so maybe that's fine. All I know is that corruption doesn't seem to be relevant to me (nothing seems to have changed with the counter going to 1) and I'm starting to worry about what it might mean for others to get the counter up. I think I still would like to check the corruption but am less sure that's the best thing, especially when rayn is now randomly gung-ho about doing this himself.+ Show Spoiler + Which I find counter to what rayn was proposing earlier in the game but I will save this for a future post This leads me to Dirk's role. I really dislike 2 things about his claim, first and formost for me is that his ability pushed us to the next corruption level and potentially changed things. Second is that he says he is a named town yet part of his ability makes him return as 3rd party now. I was already thinking corruption is related to a 3rd party mechanic due to the way the rules talk about the database. This just seems to back that up. I also noted that Dirk's thinking about how many people to send and attitude about corruption increasing was pretty inconsistent, though I don't feel like filter diving to back that up atm. So I have this sense that he is either playing a bit dumb about the mechanic or is putting out seeds of chaos about it. So we're on the same page about dirk and his ask for "3" people to enter + protection? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Slam, Onegu, Sho, and Grack are all pretty unreadable to me right now. Iam, Happa, and Yamato all feel pretty town to me. Mostly just tonal and they are consistently being constructive and bringing intresting stuff to the table. Rayn is all over the place. I would need to do actual legwork but he started off the game wanting everybody to claim and seemed focused on a planning how to approach the database. He tore into Happa's claim, but unless I missed it didn't react to dirk's claim at all. Then he suddenly wants to go check the corruption when before he had stated he wanted to send scum reads, and I think he went back to that recently as well. Ever since I got confused, thinking he ended the phase early, I've been going back and forth about rayn in my head. Acro is still probably scum. Nothing he has posted has stood out to me, can't think of anything he has stated or done while writing this and have no sense of where he is at with the game. Granted I could say the same for Grack and a few other people as well, but I think Acro has been posting much more consistently. I feel like I'm missing something but this is more or less where I am at with the game right now. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On October 30 2020 13:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: So we're on the same page about dirk and his ask for "3" people to enter + protection? I think so, but it is moreso that I'm having problems understanding his train of thinking regarding how many to send. Like didn't he talk about sending everybody at one point? Which to me kinda makes sense, kus it would only add one corruption and possible give a bunch of info. Then later say "only sending 1" is the best way to get info? Which just makes no sense to me, besides being able to confirm that yes they did go... but why wouldn't scum or whoever just go anyways to be like "see I did as told" Honestly though, I just dont think I get the whole mechanic. Which is why I was wanting to avoid corruption and spend actions checking what it did for now. So my big issue is that we got pushed forward into further unknown territory by dirk's actions. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I guess I could agree with the people saying he is a good vig shot, though I think I would personally hold a shot till next night. | ||
yamato77
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I am torn between doing nothing and checking the database in regards to Dirk. Slightly learning towards the latter since I suspect enough people are already going that we are getting more corruption regardless. Bah, this is like politics... I know my choice has meaning but it feels like against the tidal wave of differing opinions my own voice means very little in the grand scheme. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 30 2020 14:29 Tictock wrote: I think so, but it is moreso that I'm having problems understanding his train of thinking regarding how many to send. Like didn't he talk about sending everybody at one point? Which to me kinda makes sense, kus it would only add one corruption and possible give a bunch of info. Then later say "only sending 1" is the best way to get info? Which just makes no sense to me, besides being able to confirm that yes they did go... but why wouldn't scum or whoever just go anyways to be like "see I did as told" Honestly though, I just dont think I get the whole mechanic. Which is why I was wanting to avoid corruption and spend actions checking what it did for now. So my big issue is that we got pushed forward into further unknown territory by dirk's actions. I disliked the fact that he waited till almost last minute to bring it up instead of talking about it earlier. I get it I guess, but this also means I should just bring up my role and say fuck it. I’ve got insurance to sell baby. | ||
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
TT can you point out to me specifically where yamato is being constructive and bringing interesting stuff on table? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 30 2020 15:05 yamato77 wrote: Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point. I sell insurance, you know, protection. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Why would you think your night action is worse than visiting the database if your claim is true? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 30 2020 15:14 yamato77 wrote: Why would you think your night action is worse than visiting the database if your claim is true? I didn’t say that. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
You have repeatedly said that you are the best person to check the database which implies that you have nothing better to do or that you have some sort of special interaction with the database which runs counter to the claim. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On October 30 2020 15:12 yamato77 wrote: Rayn ITT: ignore/dismiss everything I post in favor of continuing to scumread me for my first post in the game. Thats not true. I dont know if you understand but scummy stuuf doesnt bwcome somehow less scummy if a person just posts more. Thats pretty basic stuff in a mafia game. You write a lot of words but say very little. I mean like you wrote like 100 words to say you dont have a read on me. Also this: If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? I dont believe for a second that an experienced player like you doesnt understand the concept of mafia buddying a player that is not in their team. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On October 30 2020 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: So shockeyy are you going or not? TT can you point out to me specifically where yamato is being constructive and bringing interesting stuff on table? Probably not, or at least nothing "good enough" but hey he prob has a short filter... His First post is pretty constructive Post 505 as well, I find his take on Happa interesting and it stands out from thread sentiment 626 is also a pretty solid post I really like his approach to the game in general, probably mostly because I seem to be largely on the same page. Can you explain to me your current thoughts about the database and what to do about it rayn? | ||
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